An honest question to Clinton supporters - Page 3

jdanton · 05-02-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

I guess you have been out of touch but she's made several comments, relentlessly. If you aren't going to watch TV I suggest you at least pick up a paper or hit some of the MSM sites.

She is beyond "moderate" over the last couple of months. Supporting her tactics as many have is a sacrifice of democratic principals which is exactly why Joe Andrew changed sides. I agree with Chuck Todd that after the vote next week, even if it's a split, we are going to see many more of them coming forward for Obama as well to finally put an end to this thing.

Probably.

Let me ask you a question: suppose the votes coming show pretty conclusively that Wright has destroyed Obama's chances; he loses by surprisingly big margins.

Now the superdelegates pause.

Will you honor their switching back to Hillary?

This won't happen unless they are convinced he can't win in November, but if the coming votes were to convince them of that, what would you have them do?

CosmicRocker · 05-02-2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

The problem CR... is it's not relief. The Economists are saying that in fact, it will end up raising prices and demand, not to mention the loss of revenue we can't afford.
4-5 dollars per gallon is here to stay...that's the reality.

This is the kind of pandering that keeps digging bigger holes for this country.

i doubt it will raise demand.
No one thinks this is cheap gas. No-one is gonna do unessential driving

The revenue gets replaced from winfalls profit tax, which she has proposed
( Obama has proposed a raw material tax - similiar, but a bit different than a profits tax).

both agree on repealing tax exemptions for Big Oil.

anhailla · 05-02-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

i doubt it will raise demand.
No one thinks this is cheap gas. No-one is gonna do unessential driving

The revenue gets replaced from winfalls profit tax, which she has proposed
( Obama has proposed a raw material tax - similiar, but a bit different than a profits tax).

both agree on repealing tax exemptions for Big Oil.

It will raise demand....when prices drop, demand goes up my friend.
It's a bad idea..I trust the experts on this.

CosmicRocker · 05-02-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

It will raise demand....when prices drop, demand goes up my friend.
It's a bad idea..I trust the experts on this.

prices go up in an elastic market, this market is fixed.
Will you drive more if the price is $3.80 instead of $4.oo/ gal ?

we're not talking about a long enough curve anyways to influence driving behavior.
I can't understand just how facile the economists are on this.
They are just spouting Keynesian text book answers.

itsmeeeeeee · 05-02-2008, 07:02 AM

Peter Dreier: Sidney Blumenthal Uses Former Right-Wing Foes To Attack Obama - Off The Bus on The Huffington Post

Clinton Aide Has Been Distributing Right-Wing Obama Attacks For Months

To cite just one recent example, Blumenthal circulated an article taken from the fervently hard-right AIM website on February 18 entitled, "Obama's Communist Mentor" by Cliff Kincaid. Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist, a longtime critic of the United Nations, whose group, America's Survival, has been funded by foundations controlled by conservative financier Richard Mellon Scaife, the same millionaire who helped fund attacks on the Clintons during their White House years. Scaife also funds AIM, the right-wing media "watchdog" group.

The Kincaid article that Blumenthal circulated sought to discredit Obama by linking him to an African-American poet and writer whom Obama knew while he was in high school in Hawaii. That writer, Frank Marshall Davis, was, Kincaid wrote, a member of the Communist Party. Supported by no tangible evidence, Kincaid claimed that Obama considered his relationship to Davis to be "almost like a son."

Kincaid, expanding his guilt-by-association tactics, also wrote that Obama "came into contact with more far-left political forces," including former Weather Underground member William Ayers. Until a few weeks ago, Obama's tangential connection with Ayers -- whose 1960s anti-war terrorism occurred when Obama was in grade school -- was echoing among right-wing bloggers.

Clinton supporters who also knew about Ayers have been discreetly trying to catapult the story out of the right-wing sandbox into the wider mainstream media. On April 9, Fox News' Sean Hannity interviewed fellow right-winger Karl Rove, who raised the Ayers-Obama connection. The next day, ABC News reporter Jake Tapper wrote about Ayers in his Political Punch blog. The following week, on his radio show, Hannity suggested to his guest, George Stephanopoulos, that he ask Obama about his relationship with Ayers at the upcoming Philadelphia presidential debate. Stephanopoulos, who was Bill Clinton's press secretary, replied, "Well, I'm taking notes." The following night during the April 16 nationally televised Presidential debate, Stephanopoulos dutifully asked Obama about Ayers, who is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Blumenthal's April 24 email dispatch featured a two-year old article by Sol Stern, published in City Journal, sponsored by the right-wing Manhattan Institute. The article, from the journal's Summer 2006 issue, doesn't mention Obama. Why would Blumenthal resurrect it now? The article, entitled "The Ed Schools' Latest--and Worst--Humbug," was, instead, a frontal attack on Ayers' views on educational theory and policy. Blumenthal obviously wasn't trying to offer enlightenment on educational policy or Obama's positions on school reform as much as he was presumably trying to keep Ayers' name, and his controversial past, in the public eye.

As a follow-up punch, Blumenthal again dipped directly into the "vast right wing conspiracy" by retrieving and circulating an article from the current issue of National Review -- the staunchly conservative opinion journal founded by William F. Buckley. The piece, titled "The Obama Way," was penned by Fred Siegel who, like Sol Stern, is a former 60s leftist who has moved to the opposite end of the political spectrum, serving at one point as a political advisor to Rudy Giuliani. Siegel's piece links Obama to corrupt Chicago machine politics, observing that "Blacks adapted to both the tribalism and the corrupt patronage politics" of Chicago's Democratic Party. In the process, he manages to throw in as many spurious ad hominem attacks on Obama as he can, calling him a "friend of race-baiters" and a "man who would lead our efforts against terrorism yet was friendly with Bill Ayers, the unrepentant 1960s terrorist."

When Blumenthal isn't relying directly on anti-Obama smears from the extreme right, he's pumping up more traditionally sourced material, from the Washington Post, New Republic, and other publications, to question and damage Obama's character and electability. On several occasions, Blumenthal has circulated articles from the Chicago Sun Times and the Chicago Tribune about Obama's ties to developer Tony Rezko, a relationship Obama has said he regrets. In one email, Blumenthal wrote: "The record on Obama's fabled 'judgement'? So how would he conduct himself in those promised summits without preconditions with Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il, Chavez, Castro, and Assad? Let's look at how he did with Tony Rezko."

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So Happy Together
(article about richard mellan scaife and the clintons new friendship)

So Happy Together | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

Keep Your Enemies Closer?
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Hillary Clinton: Right-Wing Darling?
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Switching allegiances -One-time Clinton basher becomes a key defender
Switching allegiances -- Newsday.com

CosmicRocker · 05-02-2008, 07:04 AM

^ didn't you already start a thread on Blumenthal??

anhailla · 05-02-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

prices go up in an elastic market, this market is fixed.
Will you drive more if the price is $3.80 instead of $4.oo/ gal ?

we're not talking about a long enough curve anyways to influence driving behavior.
I can't understand just how facile the economists are on this.
They are just spouting Keynesian text book answers.

I trust the overwhelming opinions of the economists on this.

This illustrates a major problem in this country...that quick fixes are the answer...
and we all end up paying in the end.

RK77 · 05-02-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

When did Hillary attack Obama on Wright?
she made 1 comment " he wouldn't be my Pastor", which was asked of her.

Did you miss the other 7 or 8 while your head was up your butt?

She had two attacks in the ABC debate alone. Why lie?

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Republicans are closer to her positons, because she is closer to the center than Obama on foreign policy.
( agressive strike back on Iran if necessary, not meeting with hostile heads of states "without preconditions " ) .

Republicans cannot stand the hillho! They are running a little poll of their own---"How many of us who PRETEND to be democrats."

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I haven't seen her ads, so I can't comment.

They are on the internet.

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The gas tax holiday is to give relief to the hard hit middle class, whom are paying $4 /gallon for gas and milk.
It's not a good policy for energy, but the hurt felt by families trumps that consideration.

Their hurt is only worth 13 cents a gallon? Interesting.

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You fail to mention her desire for a windfalls profit tax.
Exxon ( think it was them) announced a 21% increase in quarter profits today.

Yes and when she makes a 0.01% increase that will help what?

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As far as being a liberal, I am not one - I am a moderate, or conservative Dem.
But I am a Dem. and will vote as such in the General, even if Obama is the nominee.

Wrong. You aren't even a good liberal repuke.

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The Democratic base of support for Obama is more liberal than the moderate/cons. Dem base for Clinton,
so it may appear to you her supporters are Republicans.

what percent of the newly registered repukes voted for hillary in PA- if you know.

BillCosby · 05-02-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

I haven't seen her ads, so I can't comment.

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Funny not seeing or hearing or reading the full comments of the rev didn't stop you from commenting & damning..........

BillCosby · 05-02-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jdanton

The question is, no offense, kind of stupid. I voted for Hillary in our New Jersey primary. I'll vote for whomever the nominee is.

I don't have any sides to switch. Do I?

I still would prefer her as president, as Obama and his supporters, have yet to explain how he plans to change the way Washington does business. He's promised things that we both know he can't do, much as we agree with the goals he's expressed.

I have, no problem, no hesitation, about supporting Obama when he's the nominee.

I caution you, however, that Rev. Wright is NOT behind us. He will be Obama's "swift boat".

The good news is that the opponent is McCain. His "straight talk" express contradicts itself many times, and the public will be reminded many times of this.

I'm going to make a prediction. After this nomination process is over, and Obama is the nominee, Hillary will make a speech designed to take Wright out of the equation.

Not sure what you are basing all this on but I like it......

I hope you are right about her.............

As I said before I agree w/ much of what the rev thinks & says..... But I do wish he would shut the hell up about it already........

mcbush & his lame ass supporters are feeling pretty good about themselves....... CLutching the coat tails of a lame duck w/ numbers below 30% approval is a train wreak waiting for an engineer..lol

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