ibex

When I read Danton's posts, I'm confused. I feel as if I'm caught in some weird newspaper nether region between letters to the editor and the old Pogo comic strip. The "truth" has been spoken not just by Obama, but by numerous economists and energy analysts that this so called "tax holiday" on gas is nothing more than political pandering that will result in insignificant savings to the driving public and extract millions from funds needed for bridge and road repair. I too resent the disingenuous quality of Danton's Hallmark greeting card posts. At least with Mudpie, we know we're getting pure, undiluted Fascism at its worst, although his blatant suck up worship of John McCain creeps me out a great deal more.

winthrop

It is an interesting attempt at equivalence. Mr. Obama has denounced not only Mr. Farrakhan and, now, Reverend Wright, because of past associations, while Ms. Clinton does not attend any church of Mr. Coe's, and the report states Mr. Coe's "prayer breakfasts" were attended by other senators, including Mr. Obama. Ms. Clinton has not cited Mr. Coe as a supporter, nor has Mr. Coe spoken out about or endorsed Ms. Clinton.
Unlike Mr. Hagee and Mr. Parsley, who have not only endorsed, but their endorsements were sought by, Mr. McCain.

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winthrop

Whatever the quality of Mr. Danton's posts, where do you find any reference to the "gas tax" in this one? Or is Mr. Obama's opposition to it the truth to which you refer? I believe one question which was asked by Mr. Danton wondered who was going to ask us to sacrifice. Has Mr. Obama done that (aside from his instruction to those seeking federal help for college that they will have to earn it through public service)?

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jdanton

That seems to be a widely accepted opinion. I think the "old political game" is telling people what they want to hear. This year, they want to hear "we're going to change the way Washington does business."

I do wish you'd get off your Obama vs Clinton horse for a while and address the reality of where we are as a nation, and how we address any of our problems untill we get our finances in order, and how we do that until Iraq is behind us.

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jdanton

Jdanton KNOWS Obama is going to focus on CAFE standards. FAct is that the public is already asking for them, and the auto makers will probably do this on their own.

EVen if the laws come along by this time next year to increase mpg, the cars won't be built, or bought, or driven, form several more years.

What more fuel efficient cars will do is use less gas. In the meantime, why doesn't Obama, or the OTHERS, suggest that maybe we, the public, try to use less gas?

The real truth is that while Washington CAN, as I've stated, pass laws making vehicles more fuel efficient, and the use of less gas may lower the price, Washington can pass no law setting the price of a gallon of gas.

The honest truth is that little can by done in many directions until we have the financial resources to go in those directions. In order to have the resources, we must get our budget in shape, and I don't see us doing that until Iraq is behind us.

This is the SAME dillema for any new president.

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jdanton

I think he's just sold you a bill of goods.

I certainly don't think he speaks the truth when he says he never heard Wright make any of this type of comment, after attending the church for 20 years.

What is Obama's short term plan for gas prices? His long term plan may take several years to affect them?

How is he going to change the way Washington works?

I'm voting for him in November, but I doubt very much Washington will change the way it does business. There's no honesty in making a promise he can't keep.

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HarperLee

The only horse you ride is the Hillary Clinton horse. At another board a poster said that your obsession with Jeremiah Wright is unhealthy, and that your mentioning Wright in every post smacks of racism.
I believe you were also accused of living in a fantasy world where all the superdelegate votes must go to Clinton.

It is disingenuous and simple-minded to come here and pretend that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and that we must start worrying about gas taxes and the war.
You cannot care much about the cost of gas, since you refuse to acknowledge that there is not an expert on the planet who finds Clinton's hare-brained gas tax vaction to be anymore than a pandering dirty trick. I would bet money that you did not read Obama's gas plan, which I believe Eric posted.

Tell the posters over here why you think it makes perfect sense for Hillary Clinton to threaten to obliterate Iran. Quit the "let's all be nice and let me talk about Jeremiah Wright" bullshit.

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jdanton

Actually, I do get to do this, whether you like it or not.

This board is a waste of time. I come back once in a while, cause I'm a glutton for punishment I guess, to try to develop a more interesting line of thread.

Barack Obama is just another politician, as is Hillary, doing and saying what they think will help them win the election.

Many here believe he can do anything. I believe he's made a lot of promises he can't keep.

Past all that, I'm positioned to vote for him, which is pretty much all I can do, so I don't know why you and the others continue to keep the Hillary vs Obama discourse going.

No matter who is president next year, they will face major problems, and will have to overcome our budget problem to deal with ANY of them.

NONE of them is honest enough to tell us we should sacrifice anything in order to try to bring the price of gas down. In the long run, the government can't bring the price of a gallon of gas down, can it?

Even if we change the way WAshington does business, they won't be able to tell the oil companies what they can charge for their product, can they.

Meanwhile, you keep thinking Obama is some kind of saint; that he can walk on water and part the sea. He can't, and he won't.

The brutal truth is we will be in Iraq, best case scenario, for 2 years after he is sworn in office. During that time we will still be borrowing money for our operations in Iraq.

Our economy is in the tank, home foreclosures continue at a record rate, gas prices drive all prices up, and you want to argue Hillary vs Obama.

I think it is the adults among us who would like to talk about the issues that face us. We will have a democratic nominee soon. I will support that nominee with great vigor.

I'm just trying to prevent people from expecting the impossible.

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Vicariously I

Here is another serious question for everyone.

Which is more of a waste of time?

The time it takes for jdanton to type and post his nonsensical drivel?

Or

The time we spend reading and responding to it?

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jdanton

As to "spiritual advisors" I rather an atheist be president, but I've a fat chance of that.

I also don't think, and I've said this many times, that Wright SHOULD be an issue. FACT is Wright is, and will continue to be, an issue. You didn't think 4 years ago that Kerry's medals would be an issue to be held against Kerry, but they were.

The analogy between Hillary's spiritual advisor, and McCain's being endorsed by some religious folks he'd be better off not being endorsed by is that Obama attended this church for 20 years.

Personally, I don't give a damn. I'd bet, however, that over half the nation does.

I'm really trying to get past this and discuss the actual issues; you know, those things everyone complains the moderators don't ask about in the debates.

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