Here's a serious question for everyone

jdanton · 05-02-2008, 07:32 AM

If any of the candidates were to stand up and tell us the truth, how would we, the public, react.

NO ONE has dared to suggest that we sacrifice anything.

We complain about gas prices, and wonder what "they" plan to do about it. I don't know what we expect "them" to be able to do about gas prices.

Isn't it strange that no one has suggested that we try to use a little less and cut down on the demand?

As a nation, we seem to be a population of glutons, do we not? We want to have our cake and eat it too.

We went into war without being asked to sacrifice.

Let's look at where we are, as a nation, realistically. We are in Iraq and will be in Iraq for at leat 2 years after our new president is sworn in. That means we'll keep borrowing money, assuming China continues to loan us money.

Our debt is heading towards 10 trillion.

Most of us here would love to have universal healthcare, get out of Iraq, have lower gas prices, etc...

We'd all like to see Washington more responsive to the needs of the people, which doesn't necessarily mean changing the way it does business, just changing its priorities.

So the question becomes, I guess, what order you would expect the next president to address all our problems in, how many CAN he solve under the best of circumstances, and how many can he solve given the circumstances as they are?

My view is that the best we can expect is to change some directions and, hopefully, get our finances in order first, because until/unless we do that, I don't think we can achieve any of the stated goals.

The LAST thing, IMO, we want in November is someone who wants to make permenant those policies that got us into this hole. It's important, I think, that the very first thing our next president does is to stop digging.

Veronica · 05-02-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jdanton

If any of the candidates were to stand up and tell us the truth, how would we, the public, react.

NO ONE has dared to suggest that we sacrifice anything.

We complain about gas prices, and wonder what "they" plan to do about it. I don't know what we expect "them" to be able to do about gas prices.

Isn't it strange that no one has suggested that we try to use a little less and cut down on the demand?

As a nation, we seem to be a population of glutons, do we not? We want to have our cake and eat it too.

We went into war without being asked to sacrifice.

Let's look at where we are, as a nation, realistically. We are in Iraq and will be in Iraq for at leat 2 years after our new president is sworn in. That means we'll keep borrowing money, assuming China continues to loan us money.

Our debt is heading towards 10 trillion.

Most of us here would love to have universal healthcare, get out of Iraq, have lower gas prices, etc...

We'd all like to see Washington more responsive to the needs of the people, which doesn't necessarily mean changing the way it does business, just changing its priorities.

So the question becomes, I guess, what order you would expect the next president to address all our problems in, how many CAN he solve under the best of circumstances, and how many can he solve given the circumstances as they are?

My view is that the best we can expect is to change some directions and, hopefully, get our finances in order first, because until/unless we do that, I don't think we can achieve any of the stated goals.

The LAST thing, IMO, we want in November is someone who wants to make permenant those policies that got us into this hole. It's important, I think, that the very first thing our next president does is to stop digging.

Obama is daring to speak the truth and guess what many can't handle it or digest it. He is not playing by the old politics rules and it is angering the MSM and the powers that be. Unlike Clinton and McCain who have made their campaigns panderfest '08

neptune · 05-02-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Veronica

Obama is daring to speak the truth and guess what many can't handle it or digest it. He is not playing by the old politics rules and it is angering the MSM and the powers that be. Unlike Clinton and McCain who have made their campaigns panderfest '08

Exactly, but Danton pretends he cannot understand what this means. Or maybe he's not really pretending.

It's obvious when Danton says:

Quote:

We complain about gas prices, and wonder what "they" plan to do about it. I don't know what we expect "them" to be able to do about gas prices.

Isn't it strange that no one has suggested that we try to use a little less and cut down on the demand?

that he's not been paying attention, and by phrasing this sentiment in declarative sentences, he attempts to push his bias into our reality.

Oh no...not gonna work.

Here's a quote from CBS News:

Quote:

“Now the two Washington candidates in the race have decided to do something different,” said Obama. “John McCain started it, he made the proposal, and then Hillary Clinton said 'me too.”'

The plan would suspend collecting the 18.4 cent federal gas tax 24.4 cent diesel tax for the summer.

He said drying up gas tax collections would batter highway construction, costing North Carolina up to 7,000 jobs, while saving consumers little.

“We're arguing over a gimmick that would save you half a tank of gas over the course of the entire summer so that everyone in Washington can pat themselves on the back and say they did something,” said Obama.

“Well, let me tell you, this isn't an idea designed to get you through the summer, it's designed to get them through an election,” said Obama. He said his call for middle-class tax cuts would be far more beneficial than suspending gas tax collections.

And Danton loves to ignore Obama's energy policy, all the while playing the usual game of asking inane questions. If he really was looking for information, he could easily find that Obama intends to focus on CAFE fuel efficiency standards, reducing health care costs and alternative energy source research in an attempt to lower gas prices.

Not only that, but Danton has drunk deeply from the media Kool-aid with the notion of "gas prices" and "gas tax holiday" as some kind of issue/gimmick of the day.

itsmeeeeeee · 05-02-2008, 08:18 AM

no shit!

there IS one candidate who has the balls to speak the truth...
but i guess if you never listen to him, you don't know THAT!

neptune · 05-02-2008, 08:31 AM

Yep...he's the Barackiest...

Barack Obama On Late Show With David Letterman: "Top 10 Surprising Things About Barack Obama" - Politics on The Huffington Post

mudwhistle · 05-02-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Veronica

Obama is daring to speak the truth

HarperLee · 05-02-2008, 08:47 AM

Danton, when you choose to participate in an adult political message board, you don't get to scurry away without defending your positions and then come back starting three new insipid threads.

You left a week or so ago after you stated as fact that Hillary Clinton has been vetted, after I (for the third or fourth time) posted six or seven very crucial issues on which she has not been vetted.

I see you are at another political message board -- where you may have less respect than you do here -- still mentioning Jeremiah Wright in every post.

I am asking you to watch this NBC video about Hillary Clinton's
spiritual advisor and tell us what you think about it:

YouTube - 'The Fellowship' aka 'The Family'...

Veronica · 05-02-2008, 08:59 AM

Wow, when was this shown? I don't watch regular news. I don't see any of this looping on MSNBC???

HarperLee · 05-02-2008, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veronica

Wow, when was this shown? I don't watch regular news. I don't see any of this looping on MSNBC???

I couldn't believe it either. I can't tell when it aired. It has been
up on YouTube since April 5, 2008.

guest1234567 · 05-02-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HarperLee

video about Hillary Clinton's
spiritual advisor and tell us what you think about it:

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why this means anything at all. It seems pretty clear that he isn't one of her primary spiritual influences and that this piece wasn't worth the video tape it was put on.

05-02-2008, 07:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
jdanton Puddy Tat Watch Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 3,806 My Mood: Thanks: 38 Thanked 51 Times in 38 Posts	Here's a serious question for everyone If any of the candidates were to stand up and tell us the truth, how would we, the public, react. NO ONE has dared to suggest that we sacrifice anything. We complain about gas prices, and wonder what "they" plan to do about it. I don't know what we expect "them" to be able to do about gas prices. Isn't it strange that no one has suggested that we try to use a little less and cut down on the demand? As a nation, we seem to be a population of glutons, do we not? We want to have our cake and eat it too. We went into war without being asked to sacrifice. Let's look at where we are, as a nation, realistically. We are in Iraq and will be in Iraq for at leat 2 years after our new president is sworn in. That means we'll keep borrowing money, assuming China continues to loan us money. Our debt is heading towards 10 trillion. Most of us here would love to have universal healthcare, get out of Iraq, have lower gas prices, etc... We'd all like to see Washington more responsive to the needs of the people, which doesn't necessarily mean changing the way it does business, just changing its priorities. So the question becomes, I guess, what order you would expect the next president to address all our problems in, how many CAN he solve under the best of circumstances, and how many can he solve given the circumstances as they are? My view is that the best we can expect is to change some directions and, hopefully, get our finances in order first, because until/unless we do that, I don't think we can achieve any of the stated goals. The LAST thing, IMO, we want in November is someone who wants to make permenant those policies that got us into this hole. It's important, I think, that the very first thing our next president does is to stop digging. __________________ Author: Memoirs of a Sleepless Mind, a book you CAN judge by its cover.
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itsmeeeeeee punk nun Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 53 miles west of venus Posts: 3,848 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 218 Thanked 722 Times in 434 Posts	no shit! there IS one candidate who has the balls to speak the truth... but i guess if you never listen to him, you don't know THAT! __________________ "NEVER underestimate the Democrat's ability to snatch DEFEAT from the jaws of victory."
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neptune eighth stone from the sun Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,437 My Mood: Thanks: 92 Thanked 52 Times in 24 Posts	Yep...he's the Barackiest... Barack Obama On Late Show With David Letterman: "Top 10 Surprising Things About Barack Obama" - Politics on The Huffington Post __________________ Holy Mudhead, mackerel! Morse Science High! It's....disappeared! -- Firesign Theatre
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Veronica Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,184 My Mood: Thanks: 184 Thanked 265 Times in 136 Posts	Wow, when was this shown? I don't watch regular news. I don't see any of this looping on MSNBC???
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