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Old 05-11-2008, 05:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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kentucky is a non-issue - the gop will win that state (for the same pathetic reasons hillary is)
she could win it 89% to 11% and it wouldn't mean a damn thing in either the primaries now, OR THE GENERAL ELECTION!

everyone seems to realize THAT except hillary and her supporters.

hillary supporters can't seem to get it through their heads that SHE has completely alienated the ONLY voting block democrats CAN'T WIN WITHOUT! nor can they get it through their heads how many NEW voters obama brings to the party. nor can they get it through their heads that hillary's negatives are much higher than obama's, or that 63% of the american people feel the woman can't be trusted! or that obama isn't really different in policy.

all they "see" is an overwhelming fear that america isn't ready to elect a black man. period. it's kinda sad. no, not "kinda" sad - it's VERY SAD!

obama doesn't win with the OLD political map.
he draws a NEW one.
it's a post-racial map.
it's a post politics of division map.

RIGHT NOW, not only does obama win states hillary can't possibly win - taking several traditionally GOP states AWAY from the republicans - but he also, with the POSSIBLE exception of MAYBE a couple, he wins every state she would win, too.

as the party unifies around him, especially if this is done early enough, he would win even those states.

but hillary supporters just don't get ANY of these things.
Actually yes...most of us do get it, but that does not discount those states. Not all of any group or state can be labeled. The rallying cry doesn't work. Simply put there are two candidates and for whatever reason they vote it cannot just be brushed aside as easily as Obama brushes dust from his shoulder.

I cannot and will not say that Obama cannot win in Kentucky or West Virginia for that matter......but I do know that labeling or stereotyping an entire state isn't going to win them over.
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:47 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Actually yes...most of us do get it, but that does not discount those states. Not all of any group or state can be labeled. The rallying cry doesn't work. Simply put there are two candidates and for whatever reason they vote it cannot just be brushed aside as easily as Obama brushes dust from his shoulder.

I cannot and will not say that Obama cannot win in Kentucky or West Virginia for that matter......but I do know that labeling or stereotyping an entire state isn't going to win them over.
you're such a hypocrite! you support a candidate who's entire campaign is now BASED on labeling americans. just give it up.
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obama doesn't win with the OLD political map.
he draws a NEW one.
it's a post-racial map.
it's a post politics of division map.
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Hope so.
Cause the existing electoral map is a loser for him, big time.
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It's not really the states that matter at this point, it's the numbers. She simply will not win enough votes in the remaining states to put her back on top. This can be argued all you guys want but math is math and the final result is a negative for Hillary.
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Old 05-11-2008, 07:30 AM   #15 (permalink)
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It's not really the states that matter at this point, it's the numbers. She simply will not win enough votes in the remaining states to put her back on top. This can be argued all you guys want but math is math and the final result is a negative for Hillary.
agree. just let the voters run it out.
We got Obama for better or worse.
I'd like to see some outreach from both Hillary and Obama.
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Old 05-11-2008, 07:31 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The Rev. Wright thing is the worst thing ever.
You think? I can think of many that have been far worse than the "Rev. Wright thing." Our rush to help Myanmar, fer instance, when New Orleans is still in shambles.


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All it goes to prove is how delusional Americans are.
Proof is hard to prove. That said, the "Rev. Wright thing" doesn't just point to some psycho-babbly things about the American People, it points to some psycho-babbly things about Barack Obama.



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When someone tells the truth, Americans become hostile and choose denial over acceptance.
SOME Americans don't just choose denial, they also shoot the messenger.

Jack Nicholson nailed it when he spat, "You can't handle the truth."


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God would not bless the murder of millions or 400 years of enslavement and oppression.
Presupposing a "faith-filled" household, a child would understand this from roughly the age of kindergarten. Maybe pre-school.


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I guess it is skilled timing on Clinton's part though, since everyone is in nazi-nationalism mode.
Clinton's not the only one jumping on the Emotionally Divisive bandwagon. I give you Obama Maniacs' McCarthy-esque use of the racist accusation.



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Why do people love candidates who patronize and manipulate them?
Rightly, I think, Americans are so reluctant to install one of their own in a position of authority over them that, perversely, we deliberately if subconsciously choose people who are NOT so great. We don't want to FEEL less than AND have less power. When we are obliged to obey another mere mortal, we have ready-made grounds for objection and, even better, ridicule.

While paying this tax or that fine, while filling out this form or standing in that line, there is a thin unhelpful satisfaction in saying, "I could do a better job than they're doing...hell, my mailman could do a better job than they're doing."

[PC: People who are inclined to alter their speech every time a disgruntled sub-group gets their undies in a bunch will want to use the term Postal Carrier, not mailman.]

Partly, I think, as soon as we know we will die...I don't mean that a sad medical verdict has been suddenly rendered, but that an authentic consciousness of the reality of mortality has developed...as soon as we realize that, regardless what we do and how well or poorly we do it, we will die, there is either a guardedness or a resentfulness or both.

I am not explaining myself well on this one...yes, I KNOW that there are those among you who think I NEVER explain myself well, and how could I, since I am a moron as well as a racist, but I am not addressing you.

By guardedness, I don't mean an unwillingness to live and enjoy life to the fullest. On the contrary. I mean, a greater carefulness about what's worth the trouble and what's not. It is all fine and well to talk about what we're gonna do for our children's children's children but, as a practical reality, we know that we have ZERO control over the world after we're dead, and most of us know next to nothing about our own great grandparents, and we do not relish the idea of hunkering down and doing, frankly, more than our "fair" share of the work if the benefits fall strictly to times at which we are no longer alive. Great people tend to be not only demanding of themselves, but demanding of others. Greatness doesn't occur by itself or in a vacuum.

By resentfulness, I don't mean the active hostility of vengeance but an undercurrent of blame. All the good intentions notwithstanding, so much of life is so grotesque and uncontrollable, so much will go badly no matter how much good is attempted...hence, 'No good deed will go unpunished'...that it is emotionally convenient, in a twisted sort of way, to have a built-in passel of rascals on whom to pin some blame when Shit Happens.

Then there's the brilliant line of the Michael J. Fox character in The American President, "... in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."
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To what end does this bullshit serve? The primary process is over. Hillary's campaign is as good as dead.
As good as dead is not the same thing as dead.

Ask anyone who hasn't died.

Last year, John McCain was schlepping his own luggage.
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Rasmussen stopped polling for Hrc this week.

This is non-issue and not even news anymore.

And yet, here we are.
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agree. just let the voters run it out.
We got Obama for better or worse.
I'd like to see some outreach from both Hillary and Obama.
I agree and think we will see it in time. One thing that's for sure about this campaign is that a week sometimes feels like a year lol. I remember a little while back on the news they said something like "the last two weeks of the rev Wright controversy, etc etc." and I was like it's only been two weeks!? I could swore it was the last 6 months.

The message boards don't help much no matter who you support. Day in and day out debating takes it's toll and really gives the feeling of stretching things out.
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Nice try....so Florida and Michigan weren't enough to ignore....there are plenty more states to disenfranchise.
Plenty more women, it bears particular mention.

In my lifetime, there has NEVER been such a time for women to find their solidarity and flex their muscle. Women have the advantage, if only they will press it.
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