michelemichele

I said it first, damnit!

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Heavy_monkey2.0

a bazillion native north american threads paved over in the name of progress apologies to you ms michelemichele, perhaps the stereotypical hollywood legends associated with the trampling of pre-existing culture and tradition in lieu of the conquerers vision of 'what should be' has proven out once again, boards.billmaher.com......

michelemichele

You know, maybe if you watched less Hollywood crap and opened up a book once in a while, you wouldn't be such a dick.

Or maybe you're just too stupid.

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Kana

The land had to be taken? The United States could not have remained within its existing borders? So, in the case of the United States, expansionism was a necessity, but the same doesn't apply to expansionism by other powers, correct?

You have a moral blind spot where the US government is concerned.

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CosmicRocker

what "existing borders" ? east of the Missisippi?
by the Louisiana Purchase?
Then we would not have been a Pacific Power.

Then Japan would have had NO-ONE to counteract them, and all of Asia would be under their Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

It was our "Manifest Destiney" to become a nation able to expand into the untaped ( by western standards) western lands, and establish our nation from sea to sea.
Otherwise we would share a western border with another country, and not have access to the west coast, or the western states.

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CosmicRocker

EXPANSION, a la Russia under the Soviet Union, or China into Tibet; is different from ESTABLISHMENT of a country.

We needed to establish our nation - there was no other way to do it.

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Kana

LOL. Wow, that's a stretch. So, the future acts of the US in WWII have the retroactive effect of guaranteeing the colonial US government the right of expansionism. You are politically amoral.

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Kana

You had a nation. God didn't grant you the manifest destiny to expand to the Pacific. That's superstitious idiocy.

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CosmicRocker

It's more than that ( nice PC sentence by the way).

If we had no acess to the west , we would have a potentially hostile government on our western border.

And the land would not just stay unclaimed.
Mexico or Canada, or another yet to be named country would occupy it.

Either way, the American Indians were screwed.

They were the victims of a new period, where theire peaceful nomadic lives were gonna be overtaken by events.

It was tragic, and the terible brutalities in the way it hapened, is not something I am proud of.

But it was going to happen, no matter how it was accomplised.
faite accompli' if you will

Europe had expanded into to the Americas. there was no turning back.
Either we took the land, or some other colonial power did, like Spain in Florida.

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I'll make a path to the rainbow's end
I'll never live to match the beauty again
The rainbow's end
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Kana

PC Sentence? Are you referrring to the "Colonial government"? As I already explained once, the United States started out a group of British colonies. They had a colonial government. Apparently, the word "colonial" causes some kind of short circuit in your brain. Would it be more acceptable to you if I used the term "fledgeling" instead? Please tell me the politically acceptable term for referring to the early American government.

And you call me PC? Haha.

EDIT: You have to realise, I'm British. Some people in Britain still refer to America as the colonies. I'd suggest getting over the word "colonial". It's a historical fact, and if you need to deny history to support your political agenda, then your political agenda is without merit.

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