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CosmicRocker · 05-16-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by poetrychic

wow...just wow!

Duh. just Duh.

Kana · 05-16-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

I'm telling you....I've said the exact same thing since the discussion started......just wow

I believe I uttered those words as well. I keep hoping Cosmic will reveal this has all been a practical joke and he's been pulling our legs all along.

Comicsartist · 05-16-2008, 09:55 PM

Title: Manifest Destiny
Author: John O'Sullivan
Year Published: 1839

John L. O'Sullivan on Manifest Destiny, 1839

The American people having derived their origin from many other nations, and the Declaration of National Independence being entirely based on the great principle of human equality, these facts demonstrate at once our disconnected position as regards any other nation; that we have, in reality, but little connection with the past history of any of them, and still less with all antiquity, its glories, or its crimes. On the contrary, our national birth was the beginning of a new history, the formation and progress of an untried political system, which separates us from the past and connects us with the future only; and so far as regards the entire development of the natural rights of man, in moral, political, and national life, we may confidently assume that our country is destined to be the great nation of futurity.

It is so destined, because the principle upon which a nation is organized fixes its destiny, and that of equality is perfect, is universal. It presides in all the operations of the physical world, and it is also the conscious law of the soul -- the self-evident dictates of morality, which accurately defines the duty of man to man, and consequently man's rights as man. Besides, the truthful annals of any nation furnish abundant evidence, that its happiness, its greatness, its duration, were always proportionate to the democratic equality in its system of government. . . .

What friend of human liberty, civilization, and refinement, can cast his view over the past history of the monarchies and aristocracies of antiquity, and not deplore that they ever existed? What philanthropist can contemplate the oppressions, the cruelties, and injustice inflicted by them on the masses of mankind, and not turn with moral horror from the retrospect?

America is destined for better deeds. It is our unparalleled glory that we have no reminiscences of battle fields, but in defence of humanity, of the oppressed of all nations, of the rights of conscience, the rights of personal enfranchisement. Our annals describe no scenes of horrid carnage, where men were led on by hundreds of thousands to slay one another, dupes and victims to emperors, kings, nobles, demons in the human form called heroes. We have had patriots to defend our homes, our liberties, but no aspirants to crowns or thrones; nor have the American people ever suffered themselves to be led on by wicked ambition to depopulate the land, to spread desolation far and wide, that a human being might be placed on a seat of supremacy.

We have no interest in the scenes of antiquity, only as lessons of avoidance of nearly all their examples. The expansive future is our arena, and for our history. We are entering on its untrodden space, with the truths of God in our minds, beneficent objects in our hearts, and with a clear conscience unsullied by the past. We are the nation of human progress, and who will, what can, set limits to our onward march? Providence is with us, and no earthly power can. We point to the everlasting truth on the first page of our national declaration, and we proclaim to the millions of other lands, that "the gates of hell" -- the powers of aristocracy and monarchy -- "shall not prevail against it."

The far-reaching, the boundless future will be the era of American greatness. In its magnificent domain of space and time, the nation of many nations is destined to manifest to mankind the excellence of divine principles; to establish on earth the noblest temple ever dedicated to the worship of the Most High -- the Sacred and the True. Its floor shall be a hemisphere -- its roof the firmament of the star-studded heavens, and its congregation an Union of many Republics, comprising hundreds of happy millions, calling, owning no man master, but governed by God's natural and moral law of equality, the law of brotherhood -- of "peace and good will amongst men.". . .

Yes, we are the nation of progress, of individual freedom, of universal enfranchisement. Equality of rights is the cynosure of our union of States, the grand exemplar of the correlative equality of individuals; and while truth sheds its effulgence, we cannot retrograde, without dissolving the one and subverting the other. We must onward to the fulfilment of our mission -- to the entire development of the principle of our organization -- freedom of conscience, freedom of person, freedom of trade and business pursuits, universality of freedom and equality. This is our high destiny, and in nature's eternal, inevitable decree of cause and effect we must accomplish it. All this will be our future history, to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man -- the immutable truth and beneficence of God. For this blessed mission to the nations of the world, which are shut out from the life-giving light of truth, has America been chosen; and her high example shall smite unto death the tyranny of kings, hierarchs, and oligarchs, and carry the glad tidings of peace and good will where myriads now endure an existence scarcely more enviable than that of beasts of the field. Who, then, can doubt that our country is destined to be the great nation of futurity?

Manifest Destiny

Kana · 05-16-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

I'm not able to take #800 calls.
looks like the server is down.

Gonna try again at 1AM

I thought we might want a bit of facts here.
This is is abrief as a description as I could find.

.Manifest Destiny was a concept which heavily influenced American policy in the 1800s. The idea was the driving force behind the rapid expansion of America into the West from the East, and it was heavily promoted in newspapers, posters, and through other mediums. While Manifest Destiny was not itself an official government policy, it led to the passage of legislation such as the Homestead Act, which encouraged Westward colonization and territorial acquisition. It also played an important role in American thought.

<snip>

Ahem... Was this piece written by the Blame America crowd, too?

CosmicRocker · 05-16-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RK77

Yep you must be high! The natural geographic border between canada and the US is what in the western usa?

The natural geographic border between the US and Mexico is what (and don't tell me about the Rio Grande cause then the NATURAL geographic border of this nation would have been the Mississippi).

The natural border is a latititude stretching completly across the continent.

Whatever longitude separates USA fro Canada, is not relevant to the idea of a contiguos border from sea to sea.

The same aplies to Mexico.

It would be " unnatural " to stop somewhere before the Pacific, as the Canadian, and Mexican cvorders also show.

This only applies to NORTH America, not South America.
Brazil's bounday was set by some pope, as line between Spanish and Portugese influence

CosmicRocker · 05-16-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana

Ahem... Was this piece written by the Blame America crowd, too?

I just looked for the shortest definition,
John O Sullivan's speech was too poetic, and long winded.

Comicsartist · 05-16-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

I just looked for the shortest definition,
John O Sullivan's speech was too poetic, and long winded.

Look up.

Kana · 05-16-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Comicsartist

History happened to someone else in another time.

Most politicians, hell, most people are acting in the play titled "Now". There's far too little regard as to what could happen on down the road. (Global warming, nudge nudge wink wink.)

Unless you're Georgie-boy. Then you think the people of the future will write fondly of you...

True enough. And amazingly, the GOP has actually managed to find a candidate in John McCain who knows even less about the history of the Middle East than George W. Bush. I think next time, they are going to nominate a potted plant.

DRS112 · 05-16-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana

True enough. And amazingly, the GOP has actually managed to find a candidate in John McCain who knows even less about the history of the Middle East than George W. Bush. I think next time, they are going to nominate a potted plant.

I Hope so...seriously....I am sooo PRO potted plant at this point in time...

CosmicRocker · 05-17-2008, 01:09 AM

The snooty Puritans arrived, and landed on Plymouth Rock, but nearly starved to death, as they couldn't dig thru the rocky soil to plant potatoes, so they headed south.

The next colony at Jamestown died out because all they did was smoke tobacco the Indians turned them on to,
and never thought of putting stores away for winter.

So they headed south, where it was way too hot to do anything, so they all sat around and drank rum,
until they got so thirsty, and looked for the Fountain of Youth, so they could get rid of heir hangovers.

Finally The Great White Hope John O'Sullivan said.
'It's Manifest this whole thing is a bummer, so lets head west, or our Destiny will be to die drunk here."

So the headed out thru the mountains, and became the first ignorant white boys,,and hooked up with some Natives.
The natives showed these dumb hicks how to plant corn, and farm.
But they used up all the corn making moonshine, and got drunk and killed all the Natives.
The first ignorant white boys.

Since they needed more than corn liquor to live on they headed out to the prairies and found buffalo.
They stuffed themselves with buffalo, and saw the natives lived off the land, so they killed all the buffalo.
This drove all the natives into reservations, where they were cold, cause they had no buffalo,
so the settlers gave them smallpox infected blankets to keep warm with. And it killed all the natives.

Having run out of buffalo, and natives to kill, they headed thru the Rockie Mountains. where most of them froze to death, or were burried in avalanches.

Since this was no place to call home, they heard of gold out west. and fiqured if they got enough gold,
they could buy condos in Miami, and stay warm and drunk down there.

So they headed to Calif., but there was little gold.
Someone came up with the idea of making a movie about all this, and figured the folks back east would get a laugh,
seeing just how dumb they were with all this travel but no gold and that's how Hollywood came into being.

The Mexicans got jealous they never got any gold, so the crossed the Rio Grand to steal the white mans cattle..
But they couldn't swim and drowned, and never really had a chance.

The canadians were too busy playing hockey, that they never wanted to leave the ice up north, and that's how the borders became set.

05-16-2008, 09:55 PM	#263 (permalink)
Comicsartist Pass that, will ya? Tournaments Won: 8 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: oHIGHo Posts: 7,252 My Mood: Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 99 Thanked 170 Times in 118 Posts	Title: Manifest Destiny Author: John O'Sullivan Year Published: 1839 John L. O'Sullivan on Manifest Destiny, 1839 The American people having derived their origin from many other nations, and the Declaration of National Independence being entirely based on the great principle of human equality, these facts demonstrate at once our disconnected position as regards any other nation; that we have, in reality, but little connection with the past history of any of them, and still less with all antiquity, its glories, or its crimes. On the contrary, our national birth was the beginning of a new history, the formation and progress of an untried political system, which separates us from the past and connects us with the future only; and so far as regards the entire development of the natural rights of man, in moral, political, and national life, we may confidently assume that our country is destined to be the great nation of futurity. It is so destined, because the principle upon which a nation is organized fixes its destiny, and that of equality is perfect, is universal. It presides in all the operations of the physical world, and it is also the conscious law of the soul -- the self-evident dictates of morality, which accurately defines the duty of man to man, and consequently man's rights as man. Besides, the truthful annals of any nation furnish abundant evidence, that its happiness, its greatness, its duration, were always proportionate to the democratic equality in its system of government. . . . What friend of human liberty, civilization, and refinement, can cast his view over the past history of the monarchies and aristocracies of antiquity, and not deplore that they ever existed? What philanthropist can contemplate the oppressions, the cruelties, and injustice inflicted by them on the masses of mankind, and not turn with moral horror from the retrospect? America is destined for better deeds. It is our unparalleled glory that we have no reminiscences of battle fields, but in defence of humanity, of the oppressed of all nations, of the rights of conscience, the rights of personal enfranchisement. Our annals describe no scenes of horrid carnage, where men were led on by hundreds of thousands to slay one another, dupes and victims to emperors, kings, nobles, demons in the human form called heroes. We have had patriots to defend our homes, our liberties, but no aspirants to crowns or thrones; nor have the American people ever suffered themselves to be led on by wicked ambition to depopulate the land, to spread desolation far and wide, that a human being might be placed on a seat of supremacy. We have no interest in the scenes of antiquity, only as lessons of avoidance of nearly all their examples. The expansive future is our arena, and for our history. We are entering on its untrodden space, with the truths of God in our minds, beneficent objects in our hearts, and with a clear conscience unsullied by the past. We are the nation of human progress, and who will, what can, set limits to our onward march? Providence is with us, and no earthly power can. We point to the everlasting truth on the first page of our national declaration, and we proclaim to the millions of other lands, that "the gates of hell" -- the powers of aristocracy and monarchy -- "shall not prevail against it." The far-reaching, the boundless future will be the era of American greatness. In its magnificent domain of space and time, the nation of many nations is destined to manifest to mankind the excellence of divine principles; to establish on earth the noblest temple ever dedicated to the worship of the Most High -- the Sacred and the True. Its floor shall be a hemisphere -- its roof the firmament of the star-studded heavens, and its congregation an Union of many Republics, comprising hundreds of happy millions, calling, owning no man master, but governed by God's natural and moral law of equality, the law of brotherhood -- of "peace and good will amongst men.". . . Yes, we are the nation of progress, of individual freedom, of universal enfranchisement. Equality of rights is the cynosure of our union of States, the grand exemplar of the correlative equality of individuals; and while truth sheds its effulgence, we cannot retrograde, without dissolving the one and subverting the other. We must onward to the fulfilment of our mission -- to the entire development of the principle of our organization -- freedom of conscience, freedom of person, freedom of trade and business pursuits, universality of freedom and equality. This is our high destiny, and in nature's eternal, inevitable decree of cause and effect we must accomplish it. All this will be our future history, to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man -- the immutable truth and beneficence of God. For this blessed mission to the nations of the world, which are shut out from the life-giving light of truth, has America been chosen; and her high example shall smite unto death the tyranny of kings, hierarchs, and oligarchs, and carry the glad tidings of peace and good will where myriads now endure an existence scarcely more enviable than that of beasts of the field. Who, then, can doubt that our country is destined to be the great nation of futurity? Manifest Destiny __________________ The art of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in mind at the same time while still retaining the ability to function. -F. Scott Fitzgerald-
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05-17-2008, 01:09 AM	#270 (permalink)
CosmicRocker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: lost in a lost world Posts: 7,338 My Mood: Thanks: 106 Thanked 79 Times in 62 Posts	Let's Review The snooty Puritans arrived, and landed on Plymouth Rock, but nearly starved to death, as they couldn't dig thru the rocky soil to plant potatoes, so they headed south. The next colony at Jamestown died out because all they did was smoke tobacco the Indians turned them on to, and never thought of putting stores away for winter. So they headed south, where it was way too hot to do anything, so they all sat around and drank rum, until they got so thirsty, and looked for the Fountain of Youth, so they could get rid of heir hangovers. Finally The Great White Hope John O'Sullivan said. 'It's Manifest this whole thing is a bummer, so lets head west, or our Destiny will be to die drunk here." So the headed out thru the mountains, and became the first ignorant white boys,,and hooked up with some Natives. The natives showed these dumb hicks how to plant corn, and farm. But they used up all the corn making moonshine, and got drunk and killed all the Natives. The first ignorant white boys. Since they needed more than corn liquor to live on they headed out to the prairies and found buffalo. They stuffed themselves with buffalo, and saw the natives lived off the land, so they killed all the buffalo. This drove all the natives into reservations, where they were cold, cause they had no buffalo, so the settlers gave them smallpox infected blankets to keep warm with. And it killed all the natives. Having run out of buffalo, and natives to kill, they headed thru the Rockie Mountains. where most of them froze to death, or were burried in avalanches. Since this was no place to call home, they heard of gold out west. and fiqured if they got enough gold, they could buy condos in Miami, and stay warm and drunk down there. So they headed to Calif., but there was little gold. Someone came up with the idea of making a movie about all this, and figured the folks back east would get a laugh, seeing just how dumb they were with all this travel but no gold and that's how Hollywood came into being. The Mexicans got jealous they never got any gold, so the crossed the Rio Grand to steal the white mans cattle.. But they couldn't swim and drowned, and never really had a chance. The canadians were too busy playing hockey, that they never wanted to leave the ice up north, and that's how the borders became set. __________________ time to dump all that self doubt, hate, distrust, envy, paranoia, and overdue library books. tune in today. ponder tomorrow. Forget yesterday. the river doesn't run in reverse Last edited by CosmicRocker; 05-17-2008 at 01:17 AM.
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