If a Black Man Still Can't Get Served in a West Virginia Restaurant...

itsmeeeeeee · 05-14-2008, 05:08 AM

If a Black Man Still Can't Get Served in a West Virginia Restaurant, How Can a Black Candidate Expect to Get Any Votes?
By astral66 - May 13, 2008, 1:15PM

Cafe Talk | Talking Points Memo | If a Black Man Still Can't Get Served in a West Virginia Restaurant, How Can a Black Candidate Expect to Get Any Votes?

Before you start celebrating Hillary's win in West Virginia tonight, perhaps you should read this post by a West Virginia voter today on Daily Kos, and ask yourself what it is that you are celebrating.

wvtrailerdweller writes:

"I went with my son, his first election,and my retired neighbors. I know my son and I voted for Obama, and I believe they both did, also, because they mentioned NOT voting for Hillary. There are two polling places in our tiny town, and people were at both, with the line actually growing as we were waiting at ours. There was talk that they'd never seen so many people for a primary.

I don't take that as too positive a sign, as everyone was over 60. I heard one man say that as a republican he had no one to vote for, so either he voted democratic, or was registered independent, not sure if you can cross parties, but independents had their pick of ballots.

We went into the oldest restaurant in town for breakfast, and I was trying to listen to the conversations, all among retired locals. They were joking about voting for Obama before they started hammering on the same old "talking points"(he's muslim, he's embarrassed by his horrible wife can you imagine her in the white house..., he doesn't face the flag...etc.) I didn't wonder if so many of them are riled by how well he's doing, that's what is driving turnout. As one old farmer got visibly upset I could see how frustrated he was by "those stupid, stupid people" as he described, well, us, I guess.

Oddly, we have a good sized gay community, and while many are weekenders, quite a few live up here, so I remain hopeful!

As to the racism issue, while eating our neighbor told us he had come there several years ago with men who were working on constructing a house, one of whom was AA, and he told the others they wouldn't be served as they walked in the door. The others including my neighbor were all from No. VA and thought he was being paranoid. Sure enough, no one ever came to their table. My neighbor's daughter raised hell before they left (and she's great at that!) but I was surprised at how recent that was AND that he was willing to return

I have say, both my neighbors said it was their first primary and they felt the need because they wanted to be a part of history being made, which I have to say I felt too. First time I ever got choked up when filling in a bubble.(We had a choice of electronic touchscreen or paper) It's a beautiful spring day, and there's excitement in the air!"

Curator · 05-14-2008, 07:35 AM

Oregon and West Virginia has a comparable white population.

WV is 95% white and Oregon is 92.3%, or somewhere around there.

Why is Obama winning Oregon 55% to 33%, but lost WV by a landslide? Is it all about economics in WV or tree huggers living in Oregon?

I don't buy it. Why did Obama win a large segment of the white vote in Western states but lose them in the Appalachian states?

Does inherent racism still exist and always will exist in the Appalachian region?

Jonesy · 05-14-2008, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curator

Does inherent racism still exist and always will exist in the Appalachian region?

No. Racism is something nurtured. It will die away soon enough.

HarperLee · 05-14-2008, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curator

Oregon and West Virginia has a comparable white population.

WV is 95% white and Oregon is 92.3%, or somewhere around there.

Why is Obama winning Oregon 55% to 33%, but lost WV by a landslide? Is it all about economics in WV or tree huggers living in Oregon?

I don't buy it. Why did Obama win a large segment of the white vote in Western states but lose them in the Appalachian states?

Does inherent racism still exist and always will exist in the Appalachian region?

West Virginia is the 48th poorest state in the union. When and if
economic conditions improve and the citizens become more educated,
the racism will fade. It is sort of an evolution thing, if you get my gist.

itsmeeeeeee · 05-14-2008, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curator

Oregon and West Virginia has a comparable white population.

WV is 95% white and Oregon is 92.3%, or somewhere around there.

Why is Obama winning Oregon 55% to 33%, but lost WV by a landslide? Is it all about economics in WV or tree huggers living in Oregon?

I don't buy it. Why did Obama win a large segment of the white vote in Western states but lose them in the Appalachian states?

Does inherent racism still exist and always will exist in the Appalachian region?

as the article at hillary clinton - the "Deliverance" candidate! points out, these people are historically so racist they were beyond "anti-slavery" - they were anti-SLAVE! in other words, blacks aren't real humans.

this is the land of robert byrd, who in 1945 said "Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

robert came around - but obviously, much of appalachia is mired in their old traditions.

this is a land where "folks" sit on their tar paper porches in the mountains - cut the head off a chicken and stand it in the road - and spend the evening watching the reactions of horrified drivers for yuks and giggles.

i know, i've SEEN it personally!

CosmicRocker · 05-14-2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarperLee

West Virginia is the 48th poorest state in the union. When and if
economic conditions improve and the citizens become more educated,
the racism will fade. It is sort of an evolution thing, if you get my gist.

ya. maybe with some outreach elitist thinking, them poor knuckle draggers will larn up.
PS. I don't buy the Daily Kook's veracity, nor the emailer's claims.
It's just Obama supporters propaganda.

Iv'e eated in a lot of WV restaurants ( mostly diners, and fast food) and I've never seen a table being ignored.
It would leave them open for a discrimination suit, and is bad for business. why would they knowingly turn down money?

Vicariously I · 05-14-2008, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

ya. maybe with some outreach elitist thinking, them poor knuckle draggers will larn up.
PS. I don't buy the Daily Kook's veracity, nor the emailer's claims.
It's just Obama supporters propaganda.

Iv'e eated in a lot of WV restaurants ( mostly diners, and fast food) and I've never seen a table being ignored.
It would leave them open for a discrimination suit, and is bad for business. why would they knowingly turn down money?

All this time I thought you were acting this way because you were bitter about Hillary losing. Now I realize you act this way because your fucking moron.

I'm sorry dude but you just joined Mudflap and Bornwrong on my list of people whose opinions are not worth the time it takes to read them.

CosmicRocker · 05-14-2008, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicariously I

All this time I thought you were acting this way because you were bitter about Hillary losing. Now I realize you act this way because your fucking moron.

I'm sorry dude but you just joined Mudflap and Bornwrong on my list of people whose opinions are not worth the time it takes to read them.

cry me a river.
I'd ask why this post suddenly puts me on ignore -but i don't even care.
Still I am flattered to be in ur sig line

itsmeeeeeee · 05-14-2008, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicariously I

All this time I thought you were acting this way because you were bitter about Hillary losing. Now I realize you act this way because your fucking moron.

I'm sorry dude but you just joined Mudflap and Bornwrong on my list of people whose opinions are not worth the time it takes to read them.

ha! pretty soon he'll be on EVERYONE'S ignore list.

...i guess he'll just have to learn to enjoy his new comrades while they all wander together through life in the shunned netherlands of willfull ignorance!

Vicariously I · 05-14-2008, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

cry me a river.
I'd ask why this post suddenly puts me on ignore -but i don't even care.
Still I am flattered to be in ur sig line

Wow, and here I thought you'ld try to prove that were NOT a moron.

But hey, thanks for backing me on that one.

05-14-2008, 05:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
itsmeeeeeee punk nun Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 53 miles west of venus Posts: 3,316 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 170 Thanked 596 Times in 353 Posts	If a Black Man Still Can't Get Served in a West Virginia Restaurant... If a Black Man Still Can't Get Served in a West Virginia Restaurant, How Can a Black Candidate Expect to Get Any Votes? By astral66 - May 13, 2008, 1:15PM Cafe Talk \| Talking Points Memo \| If a Black Man Still Can't Get Served in a West Virginia Restaurant, How Can a Black Candidate Expect to Get Any Votes? Before you start celebrating Hillary's win in West Virginia tonight, perhaps you should read this post by a West Virginia voter today on Daily Kos, and ask yourself what it is that you are celebrating. wvtrailerdweller writes: "I went with my son, his first election,and my retired neighbors. I know my son and I voted for Obama, and I believe they both did, also, because they mentioned NOT voting for Hillary. There are two polling places in our tiny town, and people were at both, with the line actually growing as we were waiting at ours. There was talk that they'd never seen so many people for a primary. I don't take that as too positive a sign, as everyone was over 60. I heard one man say that as a republican he had no one to vote for, so either he voted democratic, or was registered independent, not sure if you can cross parties, but independents had their pick of ballots. We went into the oldest restaurant in town for breakfast, and I was trying to listen to the conversations, all among retired locals. They were joking about voting for Obama before they started hammering on the same old "talking points"(he's muslim, he's embarrassed by his horrible wife can you imagine her in the white house..., he doesn't face the flag...etc.) I didn't wonder if so many of them are riled by how well he's doing, that's what is driving turnout. As one old farmer got visibly upset I could see how frustrated he was by "those stupid, stupid people" as he described, well, us, I guess. Oddly, we have a good sized gay community, and while many are weekenders, quite a few live up here, so I remain hopeful! As to the racism issue, while eating our neighbor told us he had come there several years ago with men who were working on constructing a house, one of whom was AA, and he told the others they wouldn't be served as they walked in the door. The others including my neighbor were all from No. VA and thought he was being paranoid. Sure enough, no one ever came to their table. My neighbor's daughter raised hell before they left (and she's great at that!) but I was surprised at how recent that was AND that he was willing to return I have say, both my neighbors said it was their first primary and they felt the need because they wanted to be a part of history being made, which I have to say I felt too. First time I ever got choked up when filling in a bubble.(We had a choice of electronic touchscreen or paper) It's a beautiful spring day, and there's excitement in the air!" __________________ "NEVER underestimate the Democrat's ability to snatch DEFEAT from the jaws of victory."
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05-14-2008, 07:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Curator Setting my hair on fire. Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 604 My Mood: Thanks: 14 Thanked 128 Times in 76 Posts	Oregon and West Virginia has a comparable white population. WV is 95% white and Oregon is 92.3%, or somewhere around there. Why is Obama winning Oregon 55% to 33%, but lost WV by a landslide? Is it all about economics in WV or tree huggers living in Oregon? I don't buy it. Why did Obama win a large segment of the white vote in Western states but lose them in the Appalachian states? Does inherent racism still exist and always will exist in the Appalachian region? __________________ "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars." -Barack Obama, October 2002
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