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Old 05-14-2008, 07:53 PM   #71 (permalink)
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You're not getting off that easy, give me a real source. I have the book right here, give me a page number.
I don't and won't work for you neophyte.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:57 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Oh really?

Okay---then list 3 of the scientific hypotheses that have been disproved since the publishing of the origin of the Species---who disproved them and how.

Identify if these errors were known by Hitler or not at the time he wrote Mein Kampf.
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Don't confuse evolutionists with social darwinists, twit!
I am not confused. The evolutionists ALWAYS say that the theory was improved over time and that social Darwinism is a legitimate offshoot. Hitler took "survival of the fittest" where it would go by its very nature. If I were an evolutionist, I would believe as Hitler believed and would work for its perfection too. Hitler did not pervert Darwinian evolution theory. He implemented it.
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Clearly you have not read Mein Kampf or you would know better. Hitler is completely true to the theory. Hitler was a purist based on Darwin's Theory. The Nazi philosophy sought to implement Darwin's theory by eliminating the weak.
Wrong, as usual---I have read both! Hitler's Mein Kampf was based on the social darwinists therories (DARWIN never endorsed social darwinism). To the extent that Social Darwinism extrapolated a social theory from the work of Darwin---Hitler was true to that. THAT however does not suggest a "harmony" at all.

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Hitler was an extreme environmentalist. He was a vegetarian and avid animal lover. He took evolution theory to its ultimate destination.
There is not such thing as an "animal lover" among those who do not love the animal know as man.

That aside---he only took social Darwinism to an extreme---which was not hard for any psychopath to do.

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My field fact is documented and complete. Too bad you reject such knowledge. You are probably not aware of Unified Field Theory anyway.
Wrong again.

You really are a VERY VERY VERY slow learner aren't you?
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I know the point you were making. Yet your premise fallacious on its face. The misuse of the Bible is the falsification of the facts in the book. Whereas Hitler's use of Darwinism (social Darwinism) was on point and directly applicable from the theory. Now I know you are going to get into the 'intepretation' bullshit, but the user manual is pretty clear. So is Origin of Species.
No, it was not. "Social Darwinism" has nothing to do with the mechanics of nature. "Social Darwinism"
is a practice consciously chosen by a person mistakenly believing nature in the wild is applicable
to human beings capable of making free will choices.

Hitler may have used the concepts of evolution to rationalize his hatred of Jews, but evolution had nothing
to do with his hatred, which was a conscious choice on his part. He used evolution as an excuse, nothing more,
just as racists use the sons of Ham as an excuse for their conscious choice to hate.

Religion brings you comfort and I do not condemn or fault that. However, it also distorts your understanding
of science, which, as long as you are not in the educational or political fields, brings you no harm, other than
being mistaken in your understanding.
You are hardly alone.

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I never said 'direct' so do not apply that to me. I said they are in the mix. And evolutionist beleive that blacks were 'closer' to the specie that climbed down from the trees in Africa. Now don't attribute the bullshit to me. It is their ignorant belief.
No, "evolutionists" believe nothing of the kind. That may have been a thought uttered by a
19th century man (or it may not have been and is simply more misinformation you have taken as truth),
but science, as Jonesy noted, unlike religion, updates its precepts as new information becomes available.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:59 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I don't and won't work for you neophyte.


Just as I thought.... no source.






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Old 05-14-2008, 08:07 PM   #76 (permalink)
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No, it was not. "Social Darwinism" has nothing to do with the mechanics of nature. "Social Darwinism"
is a practice consciously chosen by a person mistakenly believing nature in the wild is applicable
to human beings capable of making free will choices.
Well clearly social darwinism was derived from darwinian theory. And survival of the fittest is legitimate extension of the theory when it comes to humans. It defines the American ethic of superiority in every field. "Super Power." Hell we beat the Nazis and established ourselves as 'the fittest.'

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Hitler may have used the concepts of evolution to rationalize his hatred of Jews, but evolution had nothing
to do with his hatred, which was a conscious choice on his part. He used evolution as an excuse, nothing more,
just as racists use the sons of Ham as an excuse for their conscious choice to hate.
You really need a refresher course on Mein Kampf. Clearly you have not read it recently. Please go and read "Nation and Race" and Hitler CLEARLY says where he got his ideas. He did not come up with his hatred of the Jews out of the blue. And it was not just the Jews. It was anyone not blue eyed and blond haired Aryan German stock. Of course Jesse Owens kind of embarrassed him. So did Joe Louis.

The Bible story of Ham, unlike Hitler and Mein Kampf, is inaccurate in terms of a curse. The Bible nowhere says that the curse was 'black or dark skin. If it did I would adhere to it. Go back and reread that too. And do not hold me responsible for its misrepresentation. Hitler intepreted correctedly. Racists do not with the Ham story.

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Religion brings you comfort and I do not condemn or fault that. However, it also distorts your understanding
of science, which, as long as you are not in the educational or political fields, brings you no harm, other than
being mistaken in your understanding.
You are hardly alone.
Sorry to disappoint you but I am deeply engaged in political fields and educational ones too.


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No, "evolutionists" believe nothing of the kind. That may have been a thought uttered by a
19th century man (or it may not have been and is simply more misinformation you have taken as truth),
but science, as Jonesy noted, unlike religion, updates its precepts as new information becomes available.
My religion is informed by science and my science is informed by religion. To separate the two is ignorant. You get more information by combining the two. God IS science. God IS logic. He created both disciplines. You simply choose to ignore God in a pathetic attempt to worship 1) yourself 2) man and 3) science.
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Just as I thought.... no source.


why am I talking to this waste of time?
Eman's brilliance compels you.

Send me a check. I will send you a source.
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Hitler may have used the concepts of evolution to rationalize his hatred of Jews
He also used the writing of Martin Luther, let's not forget.
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Huh? Is this a science project expedition you are trying to send me on? You're gonna have to send me a check for that RK and I will be happy to comply.
If you really knew anything about Darwin's theory of evolution, social darwinism, Hitler's theories, and evolutionary science you would know these things off the top of your head. Not "expedition" needed at all. Most wouldn't even have to google it.

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I am not confused. The evolutionists ALWAYS say that the theory was improved over time and that social Darwinism is a legitimate offshoot.
You are VERY confused if you think that evolution scientists consider social Darwinism a 'Legitimate" offshoot. (OR YOU ARE LYING) A percentage of evolution scientists don't even consider social science a science!

And YES they do think that the theory was "improved on" because so much of it has stood up to the rigors of science---but much of it has not---as scientists know----off the top of their heads. OR check before they make stupid remarks like yours.

Christ! WHY do you lie so much???


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Hitler took "survival of the fittest" where it would go by its very nature. If I were an evolutionist, I would believe as Hitler believed and would work for its perfection too. Hitler did not pervert Darwinian evolution theory. He implemented it.
The ENTIRE 'survival of the fittest' theory BY IT'S VERY NATURE is not something that could be taken to where "it would go by it's very nature". That is one of the dumbest things you have said to date!!

The MINUTE you start trying to fuck with it ---you destroy the process of NATURAL selection! TWIT! THUS NO----evolutionary scientists don't try to force the evolution!

Clearly you don't know any more about this than you do about anything else.

You have wasted enough of my time and dropped yet another notch in the chain of evolution---you are now entering the realm of the subhuman!
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Wrong, as usual---I have read both! Hitler's Mein Kampf was based on the social darwinists therories (DARWIN never endorsed social darwinism). To the extent that Social Darwinism extrapolated a social theory from the work of Darwin---Hitler was true to that. THAT however does not suggest a "harmony" at all.
Hitler used the Darwinian theory of survival of the fittest in the animal wild straight from Darwin. GO REREAD MEIN KAMPF. And he was correct. You keep missing that point. Regardless of whether is was purely animialistic Darwinism of Social Darwinism is irrelevant. The fact is that Darwin postulated 'SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.' Evolutionists adhere to that as the core of evolution theory. It explains the magical adaptations and improvements in species. It is the driver behind the theory. If I were an evolutionist, I would embrace Hitler as the messiah who died for our cause.

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There is not such thing as an "animal lover" among those who do not love the animal know as man.
So you think man is just another animal. I bet you support 'goat marriage.'

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That aside---he only took social Darwinism to an extreme---which was not hard for any psychopath to do.
He did and accurately so for anyone who believes in Evolution Theory. It IS survival of the fittest. America prides itself on being the fittest in the world. And dominate in the world. In a Satanic world or an Evolutinist world, that is a very good thing.
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