ocealdia

Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into "the enemy" is insane. Last week's and this week's enemy are working-class white people. The Democrats can win without a majority of white voters -- as Obama strategists undiplomatically note -- but they can't win without a strong showing among them.

winthrop

On the one hand some excoriate the Clinton campaign for apparently
dismissing some states' relevance in the general election.

Some of the same then dismiss entire voting blocks as irrelevant.

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itsmeeeeeee

you don't know what you're talking about, sweetie!

let's get REAL here!

polls today show that obama and clinton have the exact SAME margin of white working class voters against mc cain.

the majority of white working class voters usually vote republican, anyway.

NO democrat has EVER won without the black democratic voting block - which hillary has COMPLETELY ALIENATED!

obama gets a much higher percentage of independents (verified by polls again today!)

and if hillary somehow manages to get (blackmail?) super delegates to overturn the primary voters, she might as well crawl under a rock... because the entire party will either stay home or vote for mc cain.

i don't understand WHY you people don't just gracefully resign yourself to the FACT that it's OVER for hillary and join the bandwagon!

just because SHE'S completely in denial - it doesn't mean that you have to follow her like a lemming!

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itsmeeeeeee

reality just sucks, doesn't it!
it can fuck you up from two directions at once!

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poetrychic

psst!!! don't forget that her negatives are somewhere in the 50 percentile range now...half the country already thinks poorly of her, i'm not sure how they can translate that into "more electable"

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DRS112

Math? We don't need math...that's for those educated types...not for us hard working, real hard working whites....without college degrees.

RK77

Delusional!

First---are all the Hillary supporters going to continue to pretend that they don't read EVERY post that offers them facts regarding the race?

All statistics regarding the voter demographics are based on exit polls---as inaccurate as they have been it is stupid to get your panties in a bunch about them.

Second----exit polling is NOT recorded for caucus states. They were kept for Iowa because it was the first state --- other than they they are not.

THUS---11 contests in states where Obama slammed the shit out of the Grand Hillho HAVE ALMOST NOTHING BUT WHITE VOTERS AND ARE NOT PART OF THE CALULATED AVERAGES!!

Until you average in the stats from those wins----which you can collect and calculate merely by looking at the county maps which are available---you are just repeating skewed information placed for your consumption by a woman who already told you she thinks you are dumb as dirt and DAMNED PROUD OF IT! (Oh---but she loves you---right?). Your repeating these assertion does nothing other than prove your candidate to be right about you!

Third---INSTEAD OF BITCHING CONSTANTLY -- why don't one of you Hillho-er's explain to yourself the white vote in the 6 primaries where Obama got more of the white vote than Hillary? Did you fail to get your "white folks" memo out to the people there? Does it burst your fragile little bubble to think about it??

For the lazy let me repeat HARD COLD FACTS here AGAIN--

% of white vote Obama /Clinton (note in Iowa there were lots of white folks to choose from):

Iowa 33/27
Virginia 52/47
Wisconsin 54/45
Utah 55/40
New Mexico 55/43
Illinois 57/41
Vermont 62/37

He was with in one point of Hillary in
California 45/46
Conneticut 48/49

And within 3 points in New Hampshire (36/39)

Fourth

Given that of the 11 caucus states not included in the statistics NONE had more than a 7% african american population and only 4 had less than 80% white votes (and according to the Hillary folk she owns the hispanic and asian votes ----NOT)

It is only the truly intellectually deficient who could miss the fact that Obama has won the white vote in almost as many state as Hillary has won---PERIOD!

Fifth----drop the bullshit arguments about whites being some sort of all important voting block in the dem party---WIN OR LOSE the presidency the white vote has NOT been won be the democrats!


Neither male or female white vote has been won by the democrats to lose or win the presidency----IS THERE SOME PART OF THAT THAT YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND?????

And if you want to make some sort of "STRONG SHOWING" bullshit argument---then we can take this nationally OR state by state and we can talk about what a "STRONG SHOWING" means! So far Obama is doing just as well OR better than either winning or losing democrats in the past.


Seventh---Drop the retarded presumption that no other white candidate could pull Hillary's votes on board!

EVEN IF the vote was that important it would not alter the useless lying old piece of baggage that Hillary is!

Eighth---
What kind of respect does anyone expect to get when they make an argument about "disenfranchising" ANYBODY when their ONLY HOPE IN HELL is to convince superdelegates to DISENFRANCHISE all the voters of 30 + states (and that is truly almost 17 million voters) because they think that only the voters in states that Hillary did not win outright are important?


It is THIS POINT that makes Hillary supporters sooooo distasteful! It has reached a point that they have not one iota of principle or morality left! They have climbed to the HEIGHTS of hypocrisy with the Hillho ---but want every one to "look over" what it says about them as people!




As for this 17 million voter bullshit............

Hillary does not HAVE 17 million votes! Why LIE???

She doesn't even break 16 million unless you count the votes that SHE claimed would NOT count!

ADDITIONALLY----- Just because no one has agreed with the Hillho's aggrandizing the working white person --- trying to make them into some sort of great white hope for all the racists in her following to depend on does not mean that the converse is true.

NO ONE on the Obama side has a problem with the white working class voter. Certainly no one has called them some sort of enemy----that is just more of the political whores bullshit!

It is simply more of the divide and conquer stategy that has been employed from BEFORE day one by the Clinton people here with all the folk tales about people they know or have talked to!

Other than the FACT that we don't give a thought to the these voters beyond that which we give to ALL the voters there is another reason that this is not weighing in with us------BECAUSE WE ARE WINNING THAT VOTE TOO!

The reason why the Hillary supporters here are getting no respect---is because they are not worthy of it!

You have supported all sorts of heinous racial remarks.

You have embraced and encouraged lying.

You have enabled anti patriotic activities.

You have encouraged changing the rules in the middle of the game.

You have encouraged moving the goal posts every other week.

To support Hillary Clinton REQUIRES that you have NO core values---no moral compass----no commen sense and no commen decency!

It is a show of disrespect for this nation.

You are not going to whine or nag someone into showing you respect that you have not given a shit about earning at any turn in this election process!

No one is going to give you charity---which is all you are your candidate are looking for at this point!

HarperLee

May I use this for my signature line, too?

No one gets it! Since her self-indulgent health care fiasco early in her husband's first term, Hillary's negtatives have never been lower than the 40s. They were near or above 55 a few weeks ago.
She cannot win. If there were no Barack Obama and had she had won the nomination on Super Tuesday, she could never have won the
general election.

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RK77

We don't dismiss a voting block that we are winning --- and that goes for white working class men!!! WHICH WE ARE WINNING!!!

The only way that Hillary has made a claim to that voting block is by DISMISSING 11 states contests!

Environment Man

Yes. But you have all the power. Don't need math to know that.