Op Ed Why the "Math" doesn't matter!

Dr. Zaius · 05-14-2008, 11:48 AM

Obama supporters as well as political pundits and talking heads of the media all claim the math is against Hillary Clinton and her race for the White House and there is no way she can win enough delegates.......but don't tell that to me.

Math means nothing in a race. Not just any race but a political race for this nations leader.

In 1984 the Democratic party took math out of the equation by creating super delegates for the sole purpose of making Politicians more important than individual pledged delegates. This enables the Supers to make a decision at the Convention.

You can't really use Super Delegates in the count. Forget the "Math" and just count, without the supers. Pledged delegates cannot be changed. Supers can.....and they will.

Now look at Florida and Michigan. Chair of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute, Donna Brazile has continued to call for the PEOPLE of these two states to be punished for the actions of politicians making choices as their representatives when the Party BIG WIGS, like Brazile herself are responsible for this mess. The DNC picked and chose specific states to allow to move their elections to give special treatment and more power to the few while saying no to others. Why? Does the party have rules about how many and who can move their primaries? This was a decision based on taking power from one state and attempting to give it to another. Well.....they created this mess so it is up to them to settle it. Brazile is quoted as saying "I do not want the Super Delegates to pick the Nominee". Why? That's what they're there for.

An odd fact and somewhat ironic is that Donna Brazile was made chair of the Voting Rights Institute after the 2001 Florida debacle. Look what she has wrought upon herself now.

While saying that she wants to punish the people of FL and MI from one side of her mouth.....seconds later she says she wants to make sure the delegates from those states are seated at the convention, out of the other side of her mouth. How many each candidate gets to be decided at "a later date". What date? By who? Exactly how?

This election is not about math. It's not about a convention with backroom deals.....no. Backroom deals have already been made and more will be happening ...probably as I type. It's time for the people given their super powers to use them. How they do that and who they vote for are the real matters. Many super delegates who's states voted for Clinton have moved to Obama even though Obama himself has stated that supers should vote by the vote of the people. When did he change his mind on that? probably when the supers from those states wanted to move to him while ignoring their constituents. That's fine....because they can switch back....without even saying a word publicly. If it were about the "Math"....numbers would not be able to move. Super Delegates can.

Jonesy · 05-14-2008, 11:55 AM

Whatever, math-person. For your type, everything is just another calculation. You don't know living creatures... all you know is numbers.

Dr. Zaius · 05-14-2008, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonesy

Whatever, math-person. For your type, everything is just another calculation. You don't know living creatures... all you know is numbers.

It's not about the math.

Here is another Jonsey quote;

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonesy

While we're being truthful, I should add: I am not a registered voter. I am not an American. I've lived my whole life in Papua New Guinea, surrounded by sexually stimulated Birds of Paradise. I only come to these forums to influence American elections. Something about it I find pleasurable.

Isn't the internet fun?

CosmicRocker · 05-14-2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Obama supporters as well as political pundits and talking heads of the media all claim the math is against Hillary Clinton and her race for the White House and there is no way she can win enough delegates.......but don't tell that to me.

Math means nothing in a race. Not just any race but a political race for this nations leader.

In 1984 the Democratic party took math out of the equation by creating super delegates for the sole purpose of making Politicians more important than individual pledged delegates. This enables the Supers to make a decision at the Convention.

You can't really use Super Delegates in the count. Forget the "Math" and just count, without the supers. Pledged delegates cannot be changed. Supers can.....and they will.

Now look at Florida and Michigan. Chair of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute, Donna Brazile has continued to call for the PEOPLE of these two states to be punished for the actions of politicians making choices as their representatives when the Party BIG WIGS, like Brazile herself are responsible for this mess. The DNC picked and chose specific states to allow to move their elections to give special treatment and more power to the few while saying no to others. Why? Does the party have rules about how many and who can move their primaries? This was a decision based on taking power from one state and attempting to give it to another. Well.....they created this mess so it is up to them to settle it. Brazile is quoted as saying "I do not want the Super Delegates to pick the Nominee". Why? That's what they're there for.

An odd fact and somewhat ironic is that Donna Brazile was made chair of the Voting Rights Institute after the 2001 Florida debacle. Look what she has wrought upon herself now.

While saying that she wants to punish the people of FL and MI from one side of her mouth.....seconds later she says she wants to make sure the delegates from those states are seated at the convention, out of the other side of her mouth. How many each candidate gets to be decided at "a later date". What date? By who? Exactly how?

This election is not about math. It's not about a convention with backroom deals.....no. Backroom deals have already been made and more will be happening ...probably as I type. It's time for the people given their super powers to use them. How they do that and who they vote for are the real matters. Many super delegates who's states voted for Clinton have moved to Obama even though Obama himself has stated that supers should vote by the vote of the people. When did he change his mind on that? probably when the supers from those states wanted to move to him while ignoring their constituents. That's fine....because they can switch back....without even saying a word publicly. If it were about the "Math"....numbers would not be able to move. Super Delegates can.

there are backroom deals for sure. we'll see the results soon, when the cabinet positions, and possibly VP are given out ( Richardson ?)
The role of the Supers is supposedly to use their conscience for the good of the party.
They are scared of being called racists even if they think Hillary is more electable.

so much for " new politics" .

itsmeeeeeee · 05-14-2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Obama supporters as well as political pundits and talking heads of the media all claim the math is against Hillary Clinton and her race for the White House and there is no way she can win enough delegates.......but don't tell that to me.

Math means nothing in a race. Not just any race but a political race for this nations leader.

In 1984 the Democratic party took math out of the equation by creating super delegates for the sole purpose of making Politicians more important than individual pledged delegates. This enables the Supers to make a decision at the Convention.

You can't really use Super Delegates in the count. Forget the "Math" and just count, without the supers. Pledged delegates cannot be changed. Supers can.....and they will.

Now look at Florida and Michigan. Chair of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute, Donna Brazile has continued to call for the PEOPLE of these two states to be punished for the actions of politicians making choices as their representatives when the Party BIG WIGS, like Brazile herself are responsible for this mess. The DNC picked and chose specific states to allow to move their elections to give special treatment and more power to the few while saying no to others. Why? Does the party have rules about how many and who can move their primaries? This was a decision based on taking power from one state and attempting to give it to another. Well.....they created this mess so it is up to them to settle it. Brazile is quoted as saying "I do not want the Super Delegates to pick the Nominee". Why? That's what they're there for.

An odd fact and somewhat ironic is that Donna Brazile was made chair of the Voting Rights Institute after the 2001 Florida debacle. Look what she has wrought upon herself now.

While saying that she wants to punish the people of FL and MI from one side of her mouth.....seconds later she says she wants to make sure the delegates from those states are seated at the convention, out of the other side of her mouth. How many each candidate gets to be decided at "a later date". What date? By who? Exactly how?

This election is not about math. It's not about a convention with backroom deals.....no. Backroom deals have already been made and more will be happening ...probably as I type. It's time for the people given their super powers to use them. How they do that and who they vote for are the real matters. Many super delegates who's states voted for Clinton have moved to Obama even though Obama himself has stated that supers should vote by the vote of the people. When did he change his mind on that? probably when the supers from those states wanted to move to him while ignoring their constituents. That's fine....because they can switch back....without even saying a word publicly. If it were about the "Math"....numbers would not be able to move. Super Delegates can.

well, i AM an american, so i have every right to say that you must be on some pretty heavy duty drugs to keep repeatedly posting this bullshit over and over again!

your arguments stopped making any sense about a month ago.
and just posting them again doesn't t change a damn thing.

...other than to make you look like even MORE of a total imbecile than you did a month ago, that is.

Chantytown · 05-14-2008, 01:01 PM

Sweet Chocolate Jesus.

Lemme set up the scenario for ya kids.

Overturn the will of the majority? Kiss goodbye to the youth vote, the converts and the black vote.

The majority of the "hard-working whites" historically end up going republican anyway.

But that's ok. know why?

NEVER GONNA FUCKING HAPPEN!

Jonesy · 05-14-2008, 01:03 PM

Things that do matter:

Energy efficiency.

Ending war (too many thermonukes in today's world).

The economy.

Fixing Bush's errors.

Legalizing marijuana (of critical importance, especially for a prezident).

Innoculating religion.

Global warming.

The_Heretic · 05-14-2008, 01:14 PM

In 2002 General [four star] Eric Shinseki said that the military needed some 500,000 troops to take and hold Iraq.

Jr.'s answer also was that the math didn't matter.

You Hillary supporters should just give up. Hillary went from being Dick Cheney in a pantsuit to George Wallace [not the Black commedian but the racist former governor].

Curator · 05-14-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

It's not about the math.

Sure lets forget the math. The same math that gives us the delegate count, popular vote, and states won.

<-- have another drink.

guest1234567 · 05-14-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chantytown

Sweet Chocolate Jesus.

mmmmm, Easter candy. But I always feel ripped off by those holes in his feet. Really, they could at least fill them in with jelly beans.

05-14-2008, 11:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dr. Zaius . Archery 2000 Champion! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,712 Thanks: 41 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Why the "Math" doesn't matter! Obama supporters as well as political pundits and talking heads of the media all claim the math is against Hillary Clinton and her race for the White House and there is no way she can win enough delegates.......but don't tell that to me. Math means nothing in a race. Not just any race but a political race for this nations leader. In 1984 the Democratic party took math out of the equation by creating super delegates for the sole purpose of making Politicians more important than individual pledged delegates. This enables the Supers to make a decision at the Convention. You can't really use Super Delegates in the count. Forget the "Math" and just count, without the supers. Pledged delegates cannot be changed. Supers can.....and they will. Now look at Florida and Michigan. Chair of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute, Donna Brazile has continued to call for the PEOPLE of these two states to be punished for the actions of politicians making choices as their representatives when the Party BIG WIGS, like Brazile herself are responsible for this mess. The DNC picked and chose specific states to allow to move their elections to give special treatment and more power to the few while saying no to others. Why? Does the party have rules about how many and who can move their primaries? This was a decision based on taking power from one state and attempting to give it to another. Well.....they created this mess so it is up to them to settle it. Brazile is quoted as saying "I do not want the Super Delegates to pick the Nominee". Why? That's what they're there for. An odd fact and somewhat ironic is that Donna Brazile was made chair of the Voting Rights Institute after the 2001 Florida debacle. Look what she has wrought upon herself now. While saying that she wants to punish the people of FL and MI from one side of her mouth.....seconds later she says she wants to make sure the delegates from those states are seated at the convention, out of the other side of her mouth. How many each candidate gets to be decided at "a later date". What date? By who? Exactly how? This election is not about math. It's not about a convention with backroom deals.....no. Backroom deals have already been made and more will be happening ...probably as I type. It's time for the people given their super powers to use them. How they do that and who they vote for are the real matters. Many super delegates who's states voted for Clinton have moved to Obama even though Obama himself has stated that supers should vote by the vote of the people. When did he change his mind on that? probably when the supers from those states wanted to move to him while ignoring their constituents. That's fine....because they can switch back....without even saying a word publicly. If it were about the "Math"....numbers would not be able to move. Super Delegates can. Last edited by Dr. Zaius; 05-14-2008 at 11:51 AM.
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05-14-2008, 01:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chantytown Fancy Lad Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 3,415 Thanks: 38 Thanked 117 Times in 56 Posts	Sweet Chocolate Jesus. Lemme set up the scenario for ya kids. Overturn the will of the majority? Kiss goodbye to the youth vote, the converts and the black vote. The majority of the "hard-working whites" historically end up going republican anyway. But that's ok. know why? NEVER GONNA FUCKING HAPPEN!
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05-14-2008, 01:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
The_Heretic Master of Quill-Fu Asteroids Champion! Space Invaders Champion! Yeti Sports 1- Long Shot Version Champion! Pool Jam - 10 Minute Game Champion! Yeti Pentathlon Champion! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Taylorsville, UT [stuck in the 20th century]. Posts: 5,830 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 25 Thanked 78 Times in 53 Posts	In 2002 General [four star] Eric Shinseki said that the military needed some 500,000 troops to take and hold Iraq. Jr.'s answer also was that the math didn't matter. You Hillary supporters should just give up. Hillary went from being Dick Cheney in a pantsuit to George Wallace [not the Black commedian but the racist former governor]. __________________ John McCain: "He's in Iraq... with a few centuries to kill."
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