Hagel is anti-abortion - Page 24

Environment Man · 05-17-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by winthrop

Legally, in this country, we apply the Constitution as our standard, not the Bible, since we are a secular republic, not a theocracy.

God, Jesus and the Bible are the law for you, but not for the
rest of us. The U.S. is not a Christian version of Iran.

The U.S. if unofficially a Christian nation. Christianity underpins all of the items in the Constitution and even provides the protections against man's fallen nature.

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No doubt, but fortunately for "adulterers" and even you, although you
do not realize it, we have not "codified Bible principles" and will not
if we are to stay the United States.

We would be better off if we codified all the Bible principles. Humans have abused too much freedom in the USA. It is the source of our moral and societal decay.

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The Bible is fine as a personal guidebook, should you feel the need for one, but it is the Constitution which protects your choice of guide-book and without that protection, with a theocracy as the basis of our government, you run the risk of living under someone else's interpretation of the Bible, an interpretation that may decide you need to be in prison.

The Bible is fine for societal regulation. Most of our laws are based on Bible principles. And that is a very good thing. Of course you are right about a theocracy leading to abuse too because man cannot handle power, even religious power. That is why minister screw the women in the choir. So separation of powers protects us from our Devilish ways.

Environment Man · 05-17-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisbb

using words like "fetus" is a clever way to avoid responsibility for killing a BABY

Yes. It is to ease the conscience over a murderous act. Murder for sex is insanity. I would give up sex forever if I thought it would lead to me murdering my own child. Maybe sex simply isnt THAT important to me.

Malkavian · 05-17-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisbb

using words like "fetus" is a clever way to avoid responsibility for killing a BABY

It's not a baby. It is a lump of cells. It has a potential to develop into a baby, but that's about it. Conscious experience does not begin until some time in the 3rd trimester.

Anyway, the whole argument is silly. Even if the fetus is a person, do you have the right to evict someone from your property who occupies it without your consent?

Malkavian · 05-17-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

Yes. It is to ease the conscience over a murderous act. Murder for sex is insanity. I would give up sex forever if I thought it would lead to me murdering my own child. Maybe sex simply isnt THAT important to me.

It is not murder. It is eviction.

babylonDon · 05-17-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

Yes. It is to ease the conscience over a murderous act. Murder for sex is insanity. I would give up sex forever if I thought it would lead to me murdering my own child. Maybe sex simply isnt THAT important to me.

Ah yes, you're wrapped in that most effective and church-approved form of contraception.

A completely repulsive personality.

Malkavian · 05-17-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

If you do not want to risk getting pregnant and not wanting the baby, then STOP HAVING SEX.

If you want to avoid car accidents, STOP DRIVING A CAR.

Your logic is ridiculous. Just like driving a car does not mean mean consent to being hit, having sex does not mean consent to getting pregnant.

Environment Man · 05-17-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Malkavian

It is not murder. It is eviction.

A birth is an eviction. An abortion is murder.

chrisbb · 05-17-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Malkavian

It's not a baby. It is a lump of cells. It has a potential to develop into a baby, but that's about it. Conscious experience does not begin until some time in the 3rd trimester.

Anyway, the whole argument is silly. Even if the fetus is a person, do you have the right to evict someone from your property who occupies it without your consent?

when you cvan abort the baby at any stage of pregnancy including partial-birth, that is murder my friend

Malkavian · 05-17-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

A birth is an eviction. An abortion is murder.

No. Birth is an exit as determined by the fetus. Abortion is an exit as determined by the mother. Each individual has rights to his or her property. Human body is individual's property. My lungs are my property. My blood is my property. If i refuse to donate blood to somebody bleeding, that does not make me a murderer. Likewise, if the mother choses not to donate her resources to the fetus, she is not a murderer. Her body is her property and she is free to manage it as she sees fit.

Malkavian · 05-17-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisbb

when you cvan abort the baby at any stage of pregnancy including partial-birth, that is murder my friend

Again, does the fetus at ANY stage of development have the inalienable right to mother's resources, regardless of the mother's opinion on the matter? If yes, you are promoting slavery. Do i have an inalienable right to come into your house and eat your stuff and crap on your sofa? I don't think so. If you do, PM me your address.

If you don't, we are merely splitting hairs and arguing methods....

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