Hagel is anti-abortion - Page 5

Environment Man · 05-15-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by winthrop

At what point? At fertilization of the egg?

Yes. At that point. A unique human is created.

anhailla · 05-15-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

That is bull and you know it. A fertilized egg is the instant of becoming a human being. The microsecond the spearm enters the egg, human life begins. We need a Constitutional Amendment to protect the helpless ones trapped in a hostile body.

wrong..a fertilized egg is not the instant of "becoming a human being"
it's still a cluster of reproductive cells.

that's a religious distinction, not a scientific one.

Cookie · 05-15-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

Wearing a condom is a willful act that destroys reproductive tissue

"a human life in a womb" is a moral opinion, not a scientific fact.

a fetus is still a cluster of reproductive cells, that at the earlier stages is no more autonomous than an egg or a cell.
that's a scientific fact.

I am not here to argue morality with you Cookie, but E-man is wrong to call any woman who has an abortion a "murderer"

If you had a daughter who had an abortion at 3 months...would you seek the death penalty for her?

I have a daughter with three beautiful sons. All began as a cluster of cells that were as alive then as they are now. Surely you don't deny that growing cells are alive?

Instead of wasting so much time protecting abortion, we should put that energy into pregnancy prevention advocacy. I'm not against sex, just use some form of protection. It's not as if there aren't many effective methods of contraception, and if a woman is poor, she can obtain it free.

Sorry, but liberals are barking up the wrong tree, again.

winthrop · 05-15-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

The state would do it because there should be the death penalty for murder. Capital punishment is not wrong. Where do you get your morality from?

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I get mine from the concept of
a civilized humanity, not religious mythology.

I am always surprised when supposed conservatives are so mistrustful,
even contemptuous of government, yet who are willing to grant it
the power of life and death over its citizens.

Environment Man · 05-15-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by winthrop

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I get mine from the concept of
a civilized humanity, not religious mythology.

I am always surprised when supposed conservatives are so mistrustful,
even contemptuous of government, yet who are willing to grant it
the power of life and death over its citizens.

So you get to make up your own rules. How convenient.

Murder, police, hospitals, fire departments --all of these are legit government functions to regulate.

anhailla · 05-15-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

The state would do it because there should be the death penalty for murder. Capital punishment is not wrong. Where do you get your morality from?

My morality is from the land of the sane and critical thinkers.

you didn't answer the question...If killing is wrong, why let the state kill your daughter? Is she not a unique human?

Environment Man · 05-15-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

wrong..a fertilized egg is not the instant of "becoming a human being"
it's still a cluster of reproductive cells.

that's a religious distinction, not a scientific one.

Well science is your god and God is my God. Note the distinction.

Environment Man · 05-15-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

My morality is from the land of the sane and critical thinkers.

you didn't answer the question...If killing is wrong, why let the state kill your daughter? Is she not a unique human?

Killling is NOT wrong in the name of justice. God allowed the killing of his own son as capital punishment for the murder of man by man with the asistance of Satan.

Cookie · 05-15-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

My morality is from the land of the sane and critical thinkers.

you didn't answer the question...If killing is wrong, why let the state kill your daughter? Is she not a unique human?

There has to be punishment for committing crimes. Don't you think it rational that killing an unborn child is a crime? A defenseless, innocent baby ripped from the womb...who is protecting their rights? Not liberals.

anhailla · 05-15-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by winthrop

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I get mine from the concept of
a civilized humanity, not religious mythology.

I am always surprised when supposed conservatives are so mistrustful,
even contemptuous of government, yet who are willing to grant it
the power of life and death over its citizens.

apparently it's all a matter of timing. A fetus should be protected but adult woman should be murdered by the state for having a legal abortion.

Only the "religious" get to decide who to "kill"

How absolutely delusional.
Hey Winny...isn't there a Commandment about Killing?

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