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Old 05-15-2008, 11:15 AM   #81 (permalink)
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this is a problem for you?
Yes I recognize the treatment of the Native Americans was brutal.
But there is only so much land.
Manifest Desine was the doctrine the US should stretch from coast to coast.
It was our "Manifest Destiny" to secure a nation free from colonial tryranny.

. where would you have put the usa?
Atlantis?
Maybe California, should still be part of Mexico??

what kind of PC history are they teaching in schools now?
So we're back to 'because we did it it's fine'?
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I like the way McCain says "my friend" the same way I like it when Bush says "fuzzy math."
But they are saying it in totally different ways. McCain is being sarcastic and condescending while Bush is being honest because he doesn't understand any sort of math, it's all fuzzy to him. Just like military strategy and most of the English language.
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So we're back to 'because we did it it's fine'?
we're back to. either have a nation or not.
like i said, it was either north america, or Atlantis.

where else should we have "put" the country?
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:20 AM   #84 (permalink)
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But they are saying it in totally different ways. McCain is being sarcastic and condescending and Bush is being honest because he doesn't understand any sort of math, it's all fuzzy to him. Just like military strategy and most of the English language.
Hey. No foreigner is allowed to speak ill of our great president from foreign soil. Stephen Harper imitated George Bush in order to get elected in Canada.

And making fun of the man's intellectual challenges is just plain out mean spirited. He has a speech impediment and you should not make fun of that.

His military strategy has been brilliant. That is why he is being feted by the Israelis right now.
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we're back to. either have a nation or not.
like i said, it was either north america, or Atlantis.

where else should we have "put" the country?
I'm not unhappy to be here but, I'm just wondering how our murdering the natives and killing Mexicans and pushing them back out of their own country, which I presume was supposed to be their 'manifest destiny', is any better than a nation today trying to expand their borders through the same means.
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So we're back to 'because we did it it's fine'?
Yes...apparently...and only if we do it....other countries...not so much. But us? We can wage wars on other countries and almost wipe out entire civilizations...because...what else would you have us do?
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Yes...apparently...and only if we do it....other countries...not so much. But us? We can wage wars on other countries and almost wipe out entire civilizations...because...what else would you have us do?
It's the price we have to pay for being better then everyone else.
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Perhaps because you are a man?

Someone had a problem with it, or Barack Obama wouldn't have called to apologize and say that he is chastened.

since it seems you're the only around here who has a problem with it, do you want us to see if we can get obama to call you and apologise for your delicateness, too?
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I'm not unhappy to be here but, I'm just wondering how our murdering the natives and killing Mexicans and pushing them back out of their own country, which I presume was supposed to be their 'manifest destiny', is any better than a nation today trying to expand their borders through the same means.
NEVER minimize the brutality inflicted on the Natives.

But don't conflate that with what we needed to form the USA.

pushing them out of their own country?

well it's not like we could have sent them to.....i dunno..pick a spot on the globe.

there is the land. we can't make more of it.
either the USA exists, or it doesn't
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