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Old 05-18-2008, 11:04 AM   #81 (permalink)
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First: The Iraq war has nothing to do with terrorism. In any way, shape, or form. It is/was only about 1.) Getting rid of Saddam. 2.) Getting re-elected in 2004! (Americans have a history of not changing horses in the middle of a stream.)


Terrorism: Is the unrestricted warfare, intentionally directed against civilian populations. The whole point in targeting civilians, is to avoid any contact with any other military force. Only a complete fool will start a battle that they cannot win! So . . . Even though terrorists target civilians, they are still a military force!
During ww2, Korea & Vietnam the usa bombed indiscriminately often intentionally targeting civilian populations of women & children killing hundreds of thousands of ppl. YOu mean like that. Tokyo, Dresden etc.........

Is intentionally murdering innocent ppl morally inferior to being indifferent to or ambivalent about murdering innocent ppl........???

Killing 3,000 Americans is horrendous.. Killing a million IraQi is not...

BLowing up a car killing 10 innocent ppl to get one man is horrendous but killing 10 innocent ppl w/ a rocket from a helicopter is not...???

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Biden calls Bush comments ‘bullshit'
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“He’s the guy who’s weakened us. He’s the guy that’s increased the number of terrorists in the world. His policies have produced this vulnerability the United States has. His intelligence community pointed that out not me. The NIE has pointed that out and what are you talking about, is he going to fire Condi Rice? Condi Rice has talked about the need to sit down. So his first two appeasers are Rice and Gates. I hope he comes home and does something.”
What I do not understand is that these "professionals" in the intelligence community are supposed to protect this country from both foreign and domestic threats.
  • From their position they "knew" what was going on, so why didnt they stop it ?
  • Why didnt they burn the Bush before the threat of his failed administration did the damage that it has done to this country ?

Think they saw it as an opportunity to profit too.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:48 PM   #83 (permalink)
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During ww2, Korea & Vietnam the usa bombed indiscriminately often intentionally targeting civilian populations of women & children killing hundreds of thousands of ppl. YOu mean like that. Tokyo, Dresden etc.........

Is intentionally murdering innocent ppl morally inferior to being indifferent to or ambivalent about murdering innocent ppl........???

Killing 3,000 Americans is horrendous.. Killing a million IraQi is not...

BLowing up a car killing 10 innocent ppl to get one man is horrendous but killing 10 innocent ppl w/ a rocket from a helicopter is not...???

I see that you are got giving up on your battle to confuse issues. Though I have to admit that I find your tenacity some what alarming.

If I am not stepping out of line here, I would like to ask you a question:

Why are you so fixated on redefining the word intent?
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Old 05-18-2008, 04:30 PM   #84 (permalink)
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What I do not understand is that these "professionals" in the intelligence community are supposed to protect this country from both foreign and domestic threats.
  • From their position they "knew" what was going on, so why didnt they stop it ?
  • Why didnt they burn the Bush before the threat of his failed administration did the damage that it has done to this country ?

Think they saw it as an opportunity to profit too.
Your confusion is understandable.

The Reagan administration changed this entire country. Today the ‘intelligence community’ is no longer a civil service operation. We now have a new entity, that is most often referred to as “The Private Sector”! Using the excuse of ‘shrinking’ the government, the Republicans have been privatizing a number of various government sectors.

The ‘intelligence community’ was one of the first operations to be privatized. In the private sector, one works for a paycheck. The job then becomes giving people the answers that they want to hear, rather than the truth. So that when your boss says to you: “I need you to give me an excuse to go to war with so-and-so!” That becomes your job!

The bigger problem however, is not in the ‘intelligence community’, but rather in the continued privatization of the military. Where the various branches of the military used to have their own cooks, now all of the meals are being prepared by contracted caterers. Where to Army used to ship its supplies itself, the Army now contracts civilian truck drivers. Once the Military had its own police force. Now those duties are contracted out to private mercenaries, such as Blackwater USA.

While the privatization of government is becoming an increasingly alarming problem. There is also the small matter of militarizing law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI. Which is being done today in the name of reducing ‘Defense Budget Spending’ through the elimination of the various 'Military Intelligence' agencies.

While the Republicans insist on calling all of this “Shrinking the Government” (to the point where the government can no longer govern) it is still privatization.

The new business model of the twenty-first century ‘Corporate State’.

It is simply a matter of expediency. The average American can no longer be trusted to make intelligent decisions at the polls.

The arguments for all of this are really very compelling too! First there was Richard I, then Carter, and Reagan, and now Richard II. The voting track record of the American people is all the argument that is needed.
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I see that you are got giving up on your battle to confuse issues. Though I have to admit that I find your tenacity some what alarming.

If I am not stepping out of line here, I would like to ask you a question:

Why are you so fixated on redefining the word intent?
A guess I will answer your question as soon as you answer my question.....

The reason you don't want to answer is because to do so will expose your duplicity..........
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A guess I will answer your question as soon as you answer my question.....

The reason you don't want to answer is because to do so will expose your duplicity..........
What are you talking about now???

What question???

To the best of my knowledge, you have never actually asked any questions. By my count, we have had this discussion thirteen times now (unless there is more than one person using your handle) over the years, and not once have you asked a question.

Yet despite this, I have tried (repeatedly) very patently to explain to you that not every single thing that happens in this world is intended to happen the way that it does. Thus bringing us to another word (that you seem to be completely unfamiliar with) . . . Unintentional!!!

Which brings me back to my original question: Why are you so fixated with your obsession to redefine the word “intent”???

You have posted a great deal of (what appears to be) pointless rhetoric. All pointing to the simple basic fact that sometimes ‘shit happens’.

We do not live in a perfect world.

If there ever was any question in any of that mumbo-jumbo of yours, then I must have missed it.

(Just taking a shot in the dark here)
If your “question” is: Why does ‘shit happen’?
Then you are asking the wrong person. I am not God!!!
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What are you talking about now???

What question???

To the best of my knowledge, you have never actually asked any questions. By my count, we have had this discussion thirteen times now (unless there is more than one person using your handle) over the years, and not once have you asked a question.

(((Notice the question marks. You even quoted it above........
During ww2, Korea & Vietnam the usa bombed indiscriminately often intentionally targeting civilian populations of women & children killing hundreds of thousands of ppl. YOu mean like that. Tokyo, Dresden etc.........

Is intentionally murdering innocent ppl morally inferior to being indifferent to or ambivalent about murdering innocent ppl........???

Killing 3,000 Americans is horrendous.. Killing a million IraQi is not...

BLowing up a car killing 10 innocent ppl to get one man is horrendous but killing 10 innocent ppl w/ a rocket from a helicopter is not...???[/COLOR] )))




Which brings me back to my original question: Why are you so fixated with your obsession to redefine the word “intent”???

LOL...... There is no fixation on intent... But rather what it is used for. Rationalization, excuses etc......... Killing millions of ppl is justified by merely saying it was not our intent........ I don't care about your/their fucking intent.............

You have posted a great deal of (what appears to be) pointless rhetoric. All pointing to the simple basic fact that sometimes ‘shit happens’.

(((Shit always happens... A cavalier & flipped response.... I wonder if you would take that attitude if it involved your children......... If you family was the collateral damage........)))


We do not live in a perfect world. (((So this justifies killing others.. But it is not enough to justify killing us....... you...... Funny how all you ppl w/ these attitudes say this shit when it is "THEM". WHen it is them suffering. Dying, being blown up etc........ When it is us then suddenly the world is turned & it is a horrendous attack that will justify more murder & torture...)))

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Well if you feel all that about what I wrote I have to wonder..... You right winger have selective hearing, seeing & reading...........

What I asked was clear, @ least IMO & you even quoted it.. You did not answer to it...........

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