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Old 05-16-2008, 11:31 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Actually I sorta agree with you...the DNC handled it in the most bumblefucked sort of way possible....

but...how do you feel about superdelegates?
Undeclared Delegates are causing a huge problem with these Dem Primaries and have created this "Elitist" controversy in my opinion.

They need to get rid of them and fix allotment of deklegates to winner take all. Obama would have been it by now if we did that wouldn't he?
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Undeclared Delegates are causing a huge problem with these Dem Primaries and have created this "Elitist" controversy in my opinion.

They need to get rid of them and fix allotment of deklegates to winner take all. Obama would have been it by now if we did that wouldn't he?
I don't know if he would have been....I don't mind it being weighted and apportioned to be honest...and I think that, that is actually more fair.

my beef (aside from the MI FL controversy) is the use of superdelegates....
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Old 05-16-2008, 12:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't know if he would have been....I don't mind it being weighted and apportioned to be honest...and I think that, that is actually more fair.

my beef (aside from the MI FL controversy) is the use of superdelegates....
They need to do away with them.

I see the two things as attempts by the Democratic party to control the process. Proportioned delegates in an otherwise democratic process water down the result.

Supers should have nothing to say...because the thought that an election would be allowed to be decided by politicians stinks even if it is there designated job. It puts them in a very controversal public standing. I hope the attention this year gets them all to overwhelming support doing away with it.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:45 PM   #14 (permalink)
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winning the popular vote, the important battleground states, and an electoral majority ( under the current map) is her argument.

But the Supers won't do anything to rock the boat, whether she is a better electable candidate or not.
Correct because her ENTIRE argument is FUCK THE VOTERS!

Fuck those who did not go to vote in 2 states because they were told it would not count.

Fuck those who voted for Obama in 32 other contests.

Fuck all the new voters who came out in those states.

She loses the Electorial argument that is why she has not mentioned it lately----that was illustrated in some detail here before.

MOREOVER_---winning the primary's does not translate into an electoral win or Gore AND Kerry would have won---EVEN YOU should understand that much.

There are just as many "battle ground states" she has lost as those she has won---there are more than just the Ohio and Pennsylvannia , MI and Florida----you at LEAST know that don't you?

Nope---the Grand Hillho ---has tried to capitalize on the tendency of her voters to be engulfed in collective obsessional behavior (mass hysteria).

"The cause of mass hysteria is often a baseless belief that begins small but, like a hurricane, travels and becomes more devastating as it picks up speed. Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast in 1938 is a well known example of the power of a false idea gone berserk. Though the play was announced as fictional several times, panic still spread throughout the country as millions became convinced that the Martians were taking over the Earth. "

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It has not worked with most of America. But these calculator phobic Hillary supporters are seriously impaired by the illness!
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They need to do away with them.

I see the two things as attempts by the Democratic party to control the process. Proportioned delegates in an otherwise democratic process water down the result.

Supers should have nothing to say...because the thought that an election would be allowed to be decided by politicians stinks even if it is there designated job. It puts them in a very controversal public standing. I hope the attention this year gets them all to overwhelming support doing away with it.
We could have been one party aready stomping on MCShame
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I don't care if Florida and Michigan help her or hurt her. I am not voting this year at all if the delegates are not seated. I don't care about the party rules....the DNC adds new crap all the time that confuse the hell out of people and they screwed this up but good.

Party rules...my ass. I don't get one piece of junk mail from the DNC and I've been registered for 20 years. Not one notice. Not one bit of information. Yet the Republican's mistake me as one of them because I requested a free pocket constitution from the Rutherford Institute and I get mailers from them telling their base every step they make and polling to find out what they want. The Dems are not prepared for that.....Maybe Obama's camp....I get daily e-mails from them since I signed up months ago the same time I registered at Hillary's site. I don't get a thing from her.

Florida and Michigan must be counted somehow because this is the US and we cannot ignore two entire states when elected a nominee for the President.

So your bottom line argument is now----if you don't like the rules they should not have to be followed?? That is very sociopathic of you!
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The premise of this article is a lie. 48 states did not "follow the rules". SC, Iowa and New hampshire also broke the rules. And they got off scott free for it. So punishing Florida will do nothing to stop states from breaking the rules. Punishin New hampshire and Iowa would of, but the DNC is too pussy for that.
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The premise of this article is a lie. 48 states did not "follow the rules". SC, Iowa and New hampshire also broke the rules. And they got off scott free for its. So punishing Florida will do nothing to stop states from breaking the rules. Punishin New hampshire and Iowa would of, but the DNC is too pussy for that.
The premise of this article is that, even counting MI and FL in Hillary's favor that she still would not be in the lead.
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So your bottom line argument is now----if you don't like the rules they should not have to be followed?? That is very sociopathic of you!
You don't give a shit about the rules, all you care about is Obama winning. If you cared about the rules, you'd be angry that Iowa, New Hampshire and SC were not punished, nor did they have a hearing. You'd be supporting Bush v. Gore, also predicated on "rule following."
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The premise of this article is that, even counting MI and FL in Hillary's favor that she still would not be in the lead.
Fine then seat them as is, without punishment, or punish the other "rule breakers" as well.
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