Preacher wars

CosmicRocker · 05-22-2008, 02:08 PM

it's hilarious, Obama and McCain's woes from these religious meddlers.

If the preachers stayed out of politics,
the politicians wouldn't glom onto them, and we'd all be better off.

Poliics and religion just don' mix.

EvilMonkey · 05-22-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

it's hilarious, Obama and McCain's woes from these religious meddlers.

If the preachers stayed out of politics,
the politicians wouldn't glom onto them, and we'd all be better off.

Poliics and religion just don' mix.

Exactly, just like church and state don't mix. Here we have a case of equalization in preacher-gates, neither can directly use this against their each other. It won't stop the 527's against Wright but McCain certainly can't say anything.

Kana · 05-22-2008, 02:22 PM

I hope this will make politicians a bit less eager to suck up to the clergy. I have serious doubts about the religious convictions of both McCain and Obama. They pandered to religion and it didn't pay off as they'd hoped.

BillCosby · 05-22-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana

I hope this will make politicians a bit less eager to suck up to the clergy. I have serious doubts about the religious convictions of both McCain and Obama. They pandered to religion and it didn't pay off as they'd hoped.

How did Obama pander in this case????

Chantytown · 05-22-2008, 04:54 PM

The first candidate to declare the utter irrelevance of religion and faith in a thinking person's character and judgement will have my unwavering support no matter what political party.

Kana · 05-22-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

How did Obama pander in this case????

I've gone into this elsewhere, but I believe that Obama's membership in the church is itself a political move. He found Christianity when he decided to pursue a career in public service. I just don't believe that's a coincidence. It's a practical move on his part; there is a de facto ban against non-Christians holding the US Presidency. He was playing the game. I understand why, but in this case, it didn't exactly pay off. There are still a bunch of xenophobic morons who believe he's a Muslim, and those who believe he's Christian think he's a clone of Jeremiah Wright.

Jonesy · 05-22-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana

I've gone into this elsewhere, but I believe that Obama's membership in the church is itself a political move. He found Christianity when he decided to pursue a career in public service. I just don't believe that's a coincidence. It's a practical move on his part; there is a de facto ban against non-Christians holding the US Presidency. He was playing the game. I understand why, but in this case, it didn't exactly pay off. There are still a bunch of xenophobic morons who believe he's a Muslim, and those who believe he's Christian think he's a clone of Jeremiah Wright.

Well thank God. We wouldn't want a real Christian in the O-Office.

BillCosby · 05-23-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kana

I've gone into this elsewhere, but I believe that Obama's membership in the church is itself a political move. He found Christianity when he decided to pursue a career in public service. I just don't believe that's a coincidence. It's a practical move on his part; there is a de facto ban against non-Christians holding the US Presidency. He was playing the game. I understand why, but in this case, it didn't exactly pay off. There are still a bunch of xenophobic morons who believe he's a Muslim, and those who believe he's Christian think he's a clone of Jeremiah Wright.

lol.............. The right answer.........

The exactly what I have believed as well. Since hearing the story of how he came to the church.....

I see nothing wrong or immoral about it..... I doubt if even 1% of Christians have some "Damascus road" experience bringing them to the church......

Comicsartist · 05-23-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chantytown

The first candidate to declare the utter irrelevance of religion and faith in a thinking person's character and judgement will have my unwavering support no matter what political party.

Religion and faith are far from irrelevant.

The people who use religion and faith to do harm, though, is another story.

Comicsartist · 05-23-2008, 11:59 AM

Let me clarify just a bit.

I have faith, and I do believe in God.

The problem isn't with believing.

The problem arises when people use faith and religion as a political tool.

Bush says he's a Christian, but what if any of his actions have been Christ-like?

When politicians, or anyone for that matter, use religion to get themselves into office or to start a war, well, right then and there I have my doubts about them.

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CosmicRocker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: lost in a lost world Posts: 7,313 My Mood: Thanks: 105 Thanked 78 Times in 61 Posts	Preacher wars it's hilarious, Obama and McCain's woes from these religious meddlers. If the preachers stayed out of politics, the politicians wouldn't glom onto them, and we'd all be better off. Poliics and religion just don' mix. __________________ time to dump all that self doubt, hate, distrust, envy, paranoia, and overdue library books. tune in today. ponder tomorrow. Forget yesterday. the river doesn't run in reverse
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Kana Fluffy Kitten Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,940 My Mood: Thanks: 38 Thanked 57 Times in 42 Posts	I hope this will make politicians a bit less eager to suck up to the clergy. I have serious doubts about the religious convictions of both McCain and Obama. They pandered to religion and it didn't pay off as they'd hoped. __________________ Groovyville
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Chantytown Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,419 Thanks: 38 Thanked 117 Times in 56 Posts	The first candidate to declare the utter irrelevance of religion and faith in a thinking person's character and judgement will have my unwavering support no matter what political party.
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Comicsartist Pass that, will ya? Tournaments Won: 8 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: oHIGHo Posts: 7,212 My Mood: Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 99 Thanked 165 Times in 114 Posts	Let me clarify just a bit. I have faith, and I do believe in God. The problem isn't with believing. The problem arises when people use faith and religion as a political tool. Bush says he's a Christian, but what if any of his actions have been Christ-like? When politicians, or anyone for that matter, use religion to get themselves into office or to start a war, well, right then and there I have my doubts about them. __________________ The art of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in mind at the same time while still retaining the ability to function. -F. Scott Fitzgerald-
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