julia

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Jonesy

We can continue killing each other over some baseless power-struggle. Or, we can stop killing each other and figure out something else.

It is a detriment/benefit ratio. If someone attacks/invades the U.S., they will receive heavy casualties. If they do not attack/invade, we can organize some kind of economic or other arrangement. The moment an attack/invasion occurs, all economic or other arrangements are nullified indefinitely.

While using this strategy over hundreds of years, lasting peace and prosperity can be sewn impeccably.

centrino

[quote=julia;188542]Why trust either Novak or Time? Did you make any attempt to research this yourself? See the video link.

ABC News

Joe Klein's statement is false.

As to your statement that Obama was being "questioned" - and????? Klein's statement remains false - Obama's answer would be the point. He's said it. You've accused another poster of taking a talking point- without looking for the answer yourself.

To accuse me of parsing is out of line. You've done exactly that. Rather than stand corrected, you try to change the subject by turning this into a Clinton rant.

This isn't about Clinton. I am not a supporter- yet you were very quick to assume that I am. Why?

julia

Link was invalid.

I do not know you so I'm not using anymore of your links. Use text. Everyone else here can seem to handle posting text.

Abc news is not very newsworthy since that "despicable" (Wa Po) debate in Philly last month.

Try and have a stronger argument than mistaking opinion for fact.
(e.g. Novak vs. Time research staff)

I posted Obama's platform which does not mention Ahmandinejad. You posted parsed answers to questions so gotcha arguments don't work.
Was Obama supposed to respond to Ahmandinejad Qs by talking about Bullwinkle? Cmon.

No, I was contrasting Obama to the other Dem candidate. Is that comparison too much of a stretch for you? They were competing for the same job except one is losing miserably.

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centrino

duplicate post....sorry.

centrino

Irrelevant to the topic our your thread ("Time: Obama Never said Talk to Amandinejad). Obama either said it or he did not. My information proves you were mistaken.

julia

What do you not understand that Ahmadinejad is not a part of Obama's platform, that right-wingers gleefully bring up to try to create a wedge issue by citing an anti-Semite to try to whip up fears of Jewish voters.

Some fall for it; others don't.

Others do no favors by pushing right wing talking points.

Why do you let them frame your thinking?

I am calling out a falsehood.

Nice selective reading, there.

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julia

Here is the second time I explain this to you:

I shortened the words for the thread title.

Obama has never said: "I will meet unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad."

If it bothers you sooo much, should I ask the mods to change the thread title so you don't get so confused?

Or are you going to continue to jump on the McCain/ Novak bandwagon of talking points and hissy fits?

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julia

Robert Novak? Who blew Valerie Plame's cover? Who gushed over W's flight suit moment?

Seriously?

That's funny.

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centrino

Now you are changing Klein's statement??? That is not what Klein said- as you are aware (you posted it). Why would you create a thread title that misrepresented Klein's statement (your source), anyway? That would be dishonest- you were using Klein's statement to support your original claim, after all. You used that source as evidence to accuse another poster of lying. But you got it wrong.

Here is the statement you posted:"On Friday, I promised to check into whether Obama had ever said that he would negotiate--specifically, by name -- with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Indeed, according to the crack Time Magazine research department and the Obama campaign, he never has. He did say that he would negotiate with the Iranian leadership -- but, on matters of foreign policy and Iran's nuclear program, the guy in charge is the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. As of today, John McCain was still accusing Obama of wanting to negotiate with Ahmadinejad."

About Klein's statement you made the following comment:

Julia: "You shillers need to get your facts straight!!

Time's Joe Klein has double-checked this so you fools that keep posting these lies are being used by the right-wingers and mouthing their talking points.

(Talking points-thinking optional, right? )

What a pity you can't think for yourselves.

Get a freakin clue.

Joe Klein, May 20" end quote

Will you not concede that you got it wrong? Come on - be honest.


It would not help your argument because your (inaccurate) source never made that statement that mentions conditions.

You still have not listened to Obama directly stating that he would negotiate with Ahmadinejad? Novak and McCain's statements are accurate- Klein got it wrong (your source) and you believed it. Now you're changing the statement because you've been corrected. Obama said he would negotiate with Ahmadinejad. Obama's video shows this clearly. Your first attempt at changing the thread title was from "talk" to "negotiate". That didn't work out (since Obama said he would negotiate with Ahmadinejad- sourced by the video ). Now your bringing in conditions - which were never a part of Klein's statement quoted, as you are perfectly aware.

Damn...

Edit- I just saw your post with Klein's update. I now understand why you are backtracking- Klein is too.

After asserting that "I've done some research" and "also checked with the Obama campaign," Klein said Obama "never mentioned Ahmadinejad directly by name. He did say he would negotiate with the leaders."

In fact, Obama has repeatedly been questioned specifically about Ahmadinejad. At a press conference in New York last September, Obama was asked whether he still would meet with Ahmadinejad. He replied: "Yeah ... I find many of President Ahmadinejad's statements odious. ... But we should never fear to negotiate." In November on NBC's "Meet the Press," he defended "a conversation with somebody like Ahmadinejad."