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Old 05-24-2008, 11:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hillary: Democratic nomination process needs to change
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“We’re going to have to change the system by which we pick the nominees, I believe, and we are with the system we have now,”
There you have it, if you can't win change the system. I really hope the SD's put this worthless human being out of her and our misery next week.
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I actually think she's right. The nomination process is awfully arcane, with its caucuses and super-delegates. They might avoid a mess like this in the future if they streamlined and simplified the nomination process and made it more democratic. They are the "Democratic" party, after all. What's democratic about super-delegates?
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Old 05-24-2008, 12:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I actually think she's right. The nomination process is awfully arcane, with its caucuses and super-delegates. They might avoid a mess like this in the future if they streamlined and simplified the nomination process and made it more democratic. They are the "Democratic" party, after all. What's democratic about super-delegates?
Actually, I agree and never did like this system. The point is though that Hillary is not just saying this out of the goodness of her own heart, it's once again for political gain. If it doesn't serve her at the moment she could care less about anything or anyone other than herself.
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Actually, I agree and never did like this system. The point is though that Hillary is not just saying this out of the goodness of her own heart, it's once again for political gain. If it doesn't serve her at the moment she could care less about anything or anyone other than herself.
I won't argue with that. The system probably looks a lot more dysfunctional when you're looking at it through cockpit of a crashing plane.
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agreed on all points - the system is nuts - IA & NH before the big states?
an caucuses - what's up with that?
every other election is a VOTE
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Yeah they make it much harder than it needs to be, I guess I've never understood why they can't simply count all the votes and declare a winner. Even the Republicans have a much better system though it's not perfect they do have a winner take all approach.
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Why don't they make the primary an exact mirror of the general?
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Yeah they make it much harder than it needs to be, I guess I've never understood why they can't simply count all the votes and declare a winner. Even the Republicans have a much better system though it's not perfect they do have a winner take all approach.
The reason for not having a popular vote in the primaries can be explained like this...let's assume that the dems have 3 strong candidates and one weak one...and the Republicans have 3 strong candidates and no weak ones....this would open the door for republicans to vote for the weak democratic nominee without fear of having a weak candidate themselves.
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The reason for not having a popular vote in the primaries can be explained like this...let's assume that the dems have 3 strong candidates and one weak one...and the Republicans have 3 strong candidates and no weak ones....this would open the door for republicans to vote for the weak democratic nominee without fear of having a weak candidate themselves.
I thought that's what closed primaries are for? Some states already make you vote across party lines.
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Yeah they make it much harder than it needs to be, I guess I've never understood why they can't simply count all the votes and declare a winner. Even the Republicans have a much better system though it's not perfect they do have a winner take all approach.
The winner take all position (like the republicans) would have given the lead to Clinton, if I'm not mistaken. Popular vote would remain with Obama.

The superdelegates and caucuses muddy the water the most, imo.

yeah, it's scredwed up.
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