RK77

Comics what I was referring to was Grahams saying that the wickedness of the United States is so great that he may let something happen.

"There comes a time when God can stand wickedness and sin no more.

And Judgment must come.....that's the danger in American right now. That's the danger in the world right now. Our wickedness is so great that God may allow judgment to fall unless we as a people turn back to God."

That is what Grahams message is about.

That is ALSO what Wright's message was about---on both occassions.

The 911 message (after the event that Graham has described) was an attempt to help people understand HOW the anger and hate and fear they were feeling would have to be dealt with.

I don't know if you read or heard the entire sermon but---those who did appreciated that he was saying that you had to contain the tempation to hate or act on the anger.

The other sermon is likewise saying that America has done wicked things (which he lists). He says that we have to turn our faith to God, To follow God's teaching not that of a nation. That we have to condemn a nation when it fails to live up to God's expectations.

"God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is supreme!"

BOTH are telling you that we MUST turn back to God! BOTH are saying that America has done wicked things.

THAT was my point.

YET---and you tell me if you think I am wrong----

I believe that when racists hear a white man say American is wicked-- they accept it as an observation that is true.

When they hear a black man criticize the country they act as though a) blacks are NOT americans and have no right to criticize the nation and b) the identification of America's actions is a criticism somehow of Whites.

Wright began this part of the sermon with a clear and FULL illustration of the FACT that he was talking about ALL governments:

"Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change. God does not change. And I'm through now, but let me leave you with one more thing.

Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Ceasar, Corinesous, Pontius Pilate, (Pontus Pilatae)---the Roman government failed.

The British government used to rule from east to west. The British Government had a union jack, she colonized Kenya, Gana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navy's ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the the Falkins, but the British government failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed."

So he was CLEARLY explaining the SAME point as Graham----GOD before Government!

slowhand

You did know..Ive never been discreet about it

Are you asking me to bring myself down to your level?

RK77

OMG!!! SLOW He has you referring to yourself in the third person!!! RUN SAVE YOURSELF!!!

Environment Man

You were. You just dont remember it.

slowhand

And they have a constitutional freedom to say it whether anyone likes it or not

So you thought it was art then when Wright suggested that we are threatened with terrrorism because of our own dirty deeds in the Middle East?



Let me see here..Whom has Eman heard this from before?..Hmmmm..Could it beeeeeeee..SLOWHAND!!!???

slowhand

I told you he was crafty!!

Environment Man

Sure. Why not. I am a simple child of God. A bug in his presence.

It is not a bad place to be.

I hate to break it to you Slow but I dont remember all the details of your life.

slowhand

That is because you have a selective memory..When I have you on the ropes, it is amazing what you remember

Environment Man

Yes. We have been quite naughty all over the world for some time. I'm a neocon but I'm not stupid.

Environment Man

You are the dope and I am the rope. That's why Ali and Eman call it the 'Rope a Dope.'