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Old 06-04-2008, 10:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hillary Holds Her Voters Hostage

Cenk Uygur: Hillary Holds Her Voters Hostage - Politics on The Huffington Post


I was going to write about what a horrible speech John McCain gave tonight. About how he has no chance of winning (barring a world changing event) and this is as good as it gets for him. I was going to explain how awkward and painful a speech that was, especially compared to the dynamic and energetic Clinton and Obama speeches.

This was what was going through my mind as I was waiting for Hillary to get to the point in her speech where she makes the turn and says, "It's been a great race, I love you all for supporting me through these trying times, but now we have to unite behind the Democratic candidate for president, Barack Obama!"

Except that moment never came. I couldn't believe it. She didn't concede. Is she mental? Her chances of winning aren't theoretically low now, they're nonexistent. The race is over. She lost. What is there not to concede? What kind of maniacal move is this?

Yes, I love hard-hitting, driven competitors that never say die. But there are bounds of reason. One of them is that we fight within the confines of the contest. You have to stop hitting your opponent after the match is over. This isn't even hitting after the end of a round. The other boxer has won and gone home, and you're trying to follow him there while still swinging at his head. That's not tenacious, that's mental.

I'm picturing Hillary shooting baskets after everyone in the stadium has gone home and keeping score with herself and then jumping up and down in the dark saying she had finally won. No, you see, you have to score those baskets while the game is still being played.

I understand that she wants to negotiate with Obama, presumably for a VP spot. But what was stopping her from doing that earlier? This handwriting has been on the wall for quite some time now. For her to drag this out so she can negotiate a better ransom now does tremendous damage to her credibility. Who believed her tonight when she said she was still staying in the race because of her voters and not for herself? Please!

But the problem is a lot of Hillary's supporters are apparently as deranged as she is. The reality is that there is a sliding scale of voters in any camp. Some of her voters who are on one end of the scale will happily go over to Obama starting tonight. Some on the other end of the scale will never vote for Obama no matter what. The problem is that every day that Clinton drags this out, we lose more people on that sliding scale.

You lose the ability to convince people further down the scale that she was not robbed, that Obama is fine and that they should be excited enough to turn out to vote for him in November.

In essence, Hillary is holding her voters hostage in an effort to negotiate better terms with Obama. And she's losing the Democratic Party more voters every day she does so.

She had an opportunity to speak to a lot of her supporters on Tuesday night and bring them into the Obama camp. Instead, she had that steely look of deranged determination and plowed on. She said next to nothing about unity, other than one throw away line that seemed completely disingenuous. She continued to attack Obama when her followers were looking for clues as to whether they should support him or not.

Now, she wants to be his VP? I wouldn't trust her under any circumstances. People keep saying that if he picked her, he'd have to watch his back. I assume they are mostly kidding when they say this (I've said it in jest myself). But there is a real component to this. I wouldn't trust her to make decisions that were best for the team, or the campaign, or the administration if they won. Hillary Clinton has shown, once again tonight, without a shadow of a doubt that the one thing she cares about most is -- Hillary Clinton.

That's not someone you want on your team.

I think she has about three days to correct course. Otherwise, everyone is going to realize that still staying in the race after it's over is a real weird and classless thing to do. Not only will she do damage to Obama's campaign, but she will start to do very serious damage to her own reputation and career. And that's the last thing she wants.
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Old 06-04-2008, 11:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It just occurred to me that I think I was best suited to be the valedictorian of my college graduating class. Oh, my name wasn't
on the program all those decades ago -- and, to be honest, the valedictorian's grades were just a little bit higher than mine-- but I am going to stand up for my rights like Hillary does, and write to that college and demand that they name me valedictorian of that class.

I also think I should have been homecoming queen.
I am sure the vote was close on that.
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Hillary is planning to travel around the country and speak on the issues that are "concerning her".

In other words she is planning to continue to "campaign" in this nation!

On whose bucks??

Can we get over the concept that the ONLY PERSON ON EARTH who can rally those who voted for Hillary is Hillary?

What are they droids or something?

I wish Obama had announced a VP running mate last PM----that would have left the party with a decision to make---immediately! If he selects someone and announces them BEFORE Hillary concedes then he can just note that HE needed to move on and could not WAIT for Hillary to make up her mind!

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Old 06-04-2008, 11:15 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i just saw on the news that she is not conceding. what the hell? MacJohn is laughing his ass off right now. he has this one in the bag


Obama picking Hillary is stupider than JFK picking Johnson
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Hillary is playing to every one of the most harmful stereotypes of women.

Unable to make up her mind. Keeping everyone waiting.

Being a shrew and a nag with the finger waving stunts.

Manipulative. Unable to defend herself.

It is really pretty embarassing for women!
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i just saw on the news that she is not conceding. what the hell? MacJohn is laughing his ass off right now. he has this one in the bag


Obama picking Hillary is stupider than JFK picking Johnson
Yes!!!

Because if you take a hard cold look at what this reflects of her skills and her competencies anyone with mediocre judgment would have to acknowledge that she is simply not prepared to govern.

1) She is unable to acknowledge her own flaws. She's lost but it is EVERYONE elses fault but hers.

2) She has REALLY SERIOUS issues with the truth!

3) She has REALLY SERIOUS issues with accuracy!!

In the last 3 days---less than 500,000 votes were cast but Hillary has jumped from 17 mill to 18 mill in the blink of an eye.

4) She was not then (at the beginning of the campaign) and is not now (at the end with 3 months knowledge that she would lose) READY ON DAY ONE.

5) Her lack of an ability to plan for alternative senarios.

Like Bush, who had NO plan B on Iraq---Hillary had no Plan B for her campaign. Her voters forgave her for no plan B in February when she got zinged on SuperTuesday---NOW she wants the nation to go on hold while she scrambles for a Plan B in a situation where a grade schooler could have run the math and produced a probability of one being needed.

6) Shoddy, flat learning curve! After 35 years there is every indication that Hillary has NO ablity to learn from her mistakes!

7) Lack of the ability to have even minimal influence on her husband.

After all that has occured he is still calling people names and making major problems for the campaign.

8) No concept of grace or decorum. Is she maybe a little TOO at home sucking beers and slamming shots? She seems to not be able to muster up a moment of graciousness.

This was a concern while she again and again failed to show decorum as first lady and she seems not to have learned yet.

9) An inability to set her ego aside for the greater good of......well.......anything!

10) Failure to do her homework. She didn't read the IE before Iraq----okay---that was "looked over" for her. But what about the constitution?

Do we need a president who will not defend that document?

Combine all this with the fact that Obama has acknowledged that the CHANGE that we must have can only start with one administration---that it will need to be carried through several ----whoever he selects must be young enough and forward thinking enough to more into the presidency in 8 years and continue us on the path to change.

the LAST thing we need is to be jerked back to the politics of old by HRC in 8 years.
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Hillary is playing to every one of the most harmful stereotypes of women.

Unable to make up her mind. Keeping everyone waiting.

Being a shrew and a nag with the finger waving stunts.

Manipulative. Unable to defend herself.

It is really pretty embarassing for women!
Have you considered that Hillary might be a shemale?
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Hillary should move to Hollywood and start a new Brat Pack.
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i just saw on the news that she is not conceding. what the hell? MacJohn is laughing his ass off right now. he has this one in the bag


Obama picking Hillary is stupider than JFK picking Johnson
Maybe Johnson had Kennedy shot.
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