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Old 06-04-2008, 11:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Obama is a clone of McCain...

This morning while Obama is sucking up to the pro-Israel groups and pandering for the Jewish vote, he said 'I will do everything to protect Israel and to keep Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons'.

This statement was an appeasement to the Jewish community and a direct threat to Iran. And Obama supporters call this change?? The guy is not yet president and already he is following the typical bully-tactics of the US...this is not change!

I would enjoy hearing anyone explain to me how Obama is any different than McCain when it comes to Iran???
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon -- everything," he said to a standing ovation.
Obama toughens Iran stance, backs Israel on Jerusalem | Reuters

This worries me. He will do everything to prevent Iran from obtaining nukes? Doesn't everything include war?
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This worries me. He will do everything to prevent Iran from obtaining nukes? Doesn't everything include war?
The wording is much better than "Obliteration" though. Thank God we don't have that out there representing us anymore.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Obama toughens Iran stance, backs Israel on Jerusalem | Reuters

This worries me. He will do everything to prevent Iran from obtaining nukes? Doesn't everything include war?
One hopes not at all, but certainly not as the first preferred option, as
has been the policy under Bush/Cheney.
This is where the talking comes in, including pointing out all the possible
repercussions. Not as a threat, but frank conversation. War should be avoided
and even the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad share that interest.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The wording is much better than "Obliteration" though. Thank God we don't have that out there representing us anymore.
That is true. We no longer have that out there representing us anymore.
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One hopes not at all, but certainly not as the first preferred option, as
has been the policy under Bush/Cheney.
This is where the talking comes in, including pointing out all the possible
repercussions. Not as a threat, but frank conversation. War should be avoided
and even the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad share that interest.
But if we can't talk the Iranians out of acquiring nuclear weapons through diplomacy, then what? Sanctions? If the sanctions don't work, then what?

Is war an appropriate measure to prevent nuclear proliferation?
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He also said he would be willing to sit down with reasonable leaders of Iran at a time of his choosing..That is something McCain balks at
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Obama didn't get to where he is by sticking to principles. Nevertheless, I do support him because he does appear to be the lesser of the three evils by far. I could be wrong, but it can't be a bad thing that Carter and Zbig are supporting him. But I will say that if he is tagged with Hillary (Sword of Domacles) as veep over his head, we are doomed.

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Old 06-04-2008, 12:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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But if we can't talk the Iranians out of acquiring nuclear weapons through diplomacy, then what? Sanctions? If the sanctions don't work, then what?

Is war an appropriate measure to prevent nuclear proliferation?
Appropriate? I am unwilling to say death and destruction is ever an
appropriate means to settle political disputes. I do think, however,
that while Iran may have as much a right to nuclear weapons as
any other country, they should know, as does the rest of the world,
the ramifications of their use, particularly against a relatively
peaceful ally of the U.S. It is not a desirable outcome in any case,
but what sort of deterrent has proved as effective?
I am delighted to be out from under the Cold War MAD sword of
Damocles, but it did essentially prevent a nuclear war between
(admittedly sane) opponents.
If everything fails, then yes, we are all so much toast.
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Obama didn't get to where he is by sticking to principles. Nevertheless, I do support him because he does appear to be the lesser of the three evils by far. I could be wrong, but it can't be a bad thing that Carter and Zbig are supporting him. But I will say that if he is tagged with Hillary (Sword of Domacles) as veep over his head, we are doomed.
Hmmm...two Damocles references in one thread...
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