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[infoseek]

Originally Posted by slowhand

The U.N did not support the Coalition of the willing..They wanted the inspectors to finish their job..Bush couldnt wait, cuz he knew that Saddam was clean..Notice how we made fun of France and Germany?..They knew the fucking truth, and thats why they told Bush no

Did Congress lie?..Anybody who voted for the war and knew the truth lied

Israel?..Im gonna tell you something about Israel..They are armed to the teeth..They are more of a threat than ANY county in the Middle East..And if they went to war with Iraq, the fucking thing would have been over in 6 months..See what they did in Lebanon?..Dont give me that "we gotta protect Israel" bullshit..They are more than capable of protecting themselves

Yeah, but they are part of the problems that need to be solved before we pullout completely, so promised by your Obama.

[Environment Man]

Originally Posted by slowhand

The U.N did not support the Coalition of the willing..They wanted the inspectors to finish their job..Bush couldnt wait, cuz he knew that Saddam was clean..Notice how we made fun of France and Germany?..They knew the fucking truth, and thats why they told Bush no

France? Have you been there? They are soft. Who wants Germany rearming and participating in wars anyway. We had enough of them already.

Did Congress lie?..Anybody who voted for the war and knew the truth lied

Well all but a handful voted for the war. You are saying all of them were lying too. You are delusional.

Israel?..Im gonna tell you something about Israel..They are armed to the teeth..They are more of a threat than ANY county in the Middle East..And if they went to war with Iraq, the fucking thing would have been over in 6 months..See what they did in Lebanon?..Dont give me that "we gotta protect Israel" bullshit..They are more than capable of protecting themselves

Israel does not go out of its way to bother anybody. You dont see them doing suicide bombings in Lebanon. Well Iran is talking about nuking them. Do you support that?

[Environment Man]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

This was the one comment I had the greatest urg to manipulate the wording! LOL! Think about it!

Stop it Z. You are being bad.

[RK77]

Originally Posted by Environment Man

But Clinton believed these 'lies.' Gore too. Putin. The U.N. The CIA. Congress. On and on.

Wrong!!! Your statement suggests the ONLY part of the lie was the presense of absence of the WMD. It was not! The BIGGER part of the lie was the risk!

There was none and NO ONE----not Clinton, NOT Gore, NOT Putin, NOT the CIA , and NOT the UN----thought there was a threat that necessitated a unilateral millitary action! NO president has tried to sell pre-emptive war until BUSH.

And the ONLY way to sell it was to lie!

[MarkMiller]

Originally Posted by RK77

I wish you would quit the apple and oranges thing with Kennedy and Johnson.

The Vice president was ELECTED in those days! The delegates elected him!

Kennedy had 806 delegates (52%) and Johnson was second with 409 delegates (26%). He was ELECTED as Vice President by a unamiously by the convention!

Not exactly;


Vice Presidency

Main article: United States presidential election, 1960
Johnson's success in the Senate made him a possible Democratic presidential candidate. He was the "favorite son" candidate of the Texas delegation at the Party's national convention in 1956. In 1960, after the failure of the "Stop Kennedy" coalition he had formed with Stevenson, Symington, and Humphrey, Johnson received 409 votes on the first and only ballot at the Democratic convention, which nominated John F. Kennedy.
Tip O'Neill, then a representative from Kennedy's home state of Massachusetts, recalled that Johnson approached him at the convention and said, "Tip, I'd like to have you with me on the second ballot." O'Neill, understanding the influence of the Kennedy name, replied, "Senator, there's not going to be any second ballot."[22]
During the convention, Kennedy designated Johnson as his choice for Vice President. Some later reports (such as Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.'s) say that Kennedy offered the position to Johnson as a courtesy and did not expect him to accept. Others (such as W. Marvin Watson) say that the Kennedy campaign was desperate to win the 1960 election against Richard Nixon and Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr., and needed Johnson on the ticket to help carry Southern states.

[RK77]

Originally Posted by Environment Man

I will vote for Obama but my heart and my head are with McCain.

Or really? Which head? Are you talking about the hollow mass on your shoulders?

[infoseek]

Originally Posted by RK77

Wrong!!! Your statement suggests the ONLY part of the lie was the presense of absence of the WMD. It was not! The BIGGER part of the lie was the risk!

There was none and NO ONE----not Clinton, NOT Gore, NOT Putin, NOT the CIA , and NOT the UN----thought there was a threat that necessitated a unilateral millitary action! NO president has tried to sell pre-emptive war until BUSH.

And the ONLY way to sell it was to lie!

RK, I thought you're for Ron Paul. Are you for Obama now?

[RK77]

Originally Posted by infoseek

RK, I thought you're for Ron Paul. Are you for Obama now?

I dropped Ron Paul a zillion years ago after reading his papers. I was an edwards person till he dropped out.

[slowhand]

Originally Posted by infoseek

Yeah, but they are part of the problems that need to be solved before we pullout completely, so promised by your Obama.

Oh..You mean exit strategy?..Bush for got to look that up in the dictionary before he went in there..Three rival religious factions in one country..I guess Bush didnt learn anything from Yugoslavia?..Israel/Palestine?..Northern Ireland?..Did he?

Jesus Christ!!..The Catholics and Protastants in Ireland were killing each other for years..What did that fucking moron think the Iraqi's were gonna do?

[infoseek]

Originally Posted by RK77

I dropped Ron Paul a zillion years ago after reading his papers. I was an edwards person till he dropped out.

I see. I didn't follow up on it. My bad.