julia

Being a kid of the eighties, could not help the catchy title...

At Clinton's final rally, the scene is more bitter than sweet

(we always knew they were bitter...)


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McClatchy Washington Bureau | 06/07/2008 | At Clinton's final rally, the scene is more bitter than sweet

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MarkMiller

Well......I certainly understand.

julia

maybe e- should do his patriotic duty and go console them?

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CosmicRocker

in Matthews defense, he's just all over the place - at least he kinna hides most of his disdaine.
Olberman - well there is a Manhattan elitist fer ya.

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julia

Olbermann was simply doing his job by watching the winds change as americans got sick of hrc's never ending yarn mishaps and started tuning her out.

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CosmicRocker

Olberman was an advocate journalist.

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Insipid

But be fair, you know that if Hillary had won there'd be at least just as many loud and vociferous Barack supporters yelling and screaming if Barack lost by this narrow a margin.

Yes, these people are fucking nuts. Nuts beyond belief. Anyone who would vote for McCain over either Obama or Hillary is just nuts. There's not that much of a difference between Hillary and Barack and there's a VAST difference between McCain and the dems. I was slightly more for Hillary because i like her health care plan better. But Obama's health care plan is vastly better than McBush's. So now i'm wholeheartedly for Obama. But RK77 and Heretic are every bit as nuts as these folks. If you want to read bitter vitriol read anything by rk77.

julia

Obama, Hrc and John Edwards' HC plan was the same brain seed of the same professor. Cutler? perhaps.

John Edwards put his HC plan out first so guess who copied his.

Mandates do not work. No country that has national HC has mandates. Mandates are not working in Mass.

It really does not make sense to force ppl to buy HC that can't afford HC and then fine them if they don't...?

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Heretic

I'm just absolutely amused at how the bitter Hillaycrats conveniently forget the fact that the media treated Hillary as the inevitable nominee for over a year and went out of their way not to cover her gaffes while echoing the myth that Hillary knew what she was talking about. They kept saying she won the debates no matter how badly she god her ass handed to her.

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Insipid

That's just not true. England uses a mandate system as does Finland and Germany. Mandates work all the time. They work, generally for car insurance, they work for Medicare, in fact, if you haven't noticed your paycheck recently, social security is a mandate.. Even Barack is calling for a mandate pertaining to children. In fact, I'm kind of freaked out that I'm in a DEMOCRATIC forum where people are talking against mandate! WTF? What next are all of you going to start telling me how Social security is in danger and we MUST privatize it? My guess is that all this catarwalling against mandates is only because Barack is against them (for now, i'm pretty sure he'll have to change his mind if he's at all even slightly serious about really providing universal health care) and Hillary is for them. If the situation were reversed i'm sure all of you would be shouting about what a bad democrat i am for speaking against Mandates.

Mandates, coupled with cost control and limiting your payments to a percentage of your income (like Social security, again) is the only real and sensible method of providing health care to all (other than single payer, of course). Without mandates the very rich and the very poor will just opt out, as will the young and irresponsible. But Barack's plan calls for the worst of all possible worlds because he'll also make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage for the ill. Under this insane scenario, people will just opt not to have health insurance until they get sick, then join a plan when they're at the MOST costly. This is insanity, this is stupid, this is idiotic in the extreme. Mandates are not a dirty word, in fact it's the only method of making sure that health care is affordable for everyone.