The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind - Page 3

babylonDon · 06-09-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

Thought I explained that part in the first post....but I suppose there is a chance that you thought it was right to smear Clinton for his affair(s) but if you thought it was wrong there, then it is totally hypocritical to think that it didn't matter with Clinton but that it does with McCain....it's just playing into party politics...it's wrong when the other side does it, but it's always justified when my side does....

Seriously?

The Repubs have made 'character' an issue and a weapon in past elections. Why isn't it fair game to point out, or even scorn them, when they fail to live up to the expectations they've created?

It's not hypocritical to point out hypocritical behavior. It's mandatory. We all like to feel that we're on the high road, but if you don't address realities like this, you lose. I'll never forget the lesson, learned from the swiftboating of the last election. Dems had what should have been a historic 'in-your-face' refutation of that whole thing, and they didn't repond strongly enough. And it cost them. A lot.

I personally don't think that the personal lives of presidents should be public fodder. But I live in this world, where it is. And if you're running around complaining about stench, you'd better make damn sure your own shorts are clean.

If you don't like the 'character' or 'family values' arguments, one good way to make them go away, is to make them untenable for the people that invented them. I've always lived by a rule of thumb, that says, 'I won't hit you first, but I'll damn sure hit you back'.

And let's not forget how big an issue affairs were made by the right, for the purpose of party politics. When the dems have a Special Prosecutor, uncovering details of whether or not John and Cindy, were having sex outside the (oh-so-precious and sacred) marriage bonds, on taxpayer money, THEN you can say, the dems are as bad.

McCain is a political whore of the highest caliber. He's proven time and again, that he'll divest himself of any idea or value, if it furthers his goals. His relationship with Bushco, is symptomatic of the nature of the man.

If you can't ask about the character of a man who divorced a cripple to marry corporate royalty, thereby launching his political career, then when can you?

DRS112 · 06-09-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by babylonDon

Seriously?

The Repubs have made 'character' an issue and a weapon in past elections. Why isn't it fair game to point out, or even scorn them, when they fail to live up to the expectations they've created?

It's not hypocritical to point out hypocritical behavior. It's mandatory. We all like to feel that we're on the high road, but if you don't address realities like this, you lose. I'll never forget the lesson, learned from the swiftboating of the last election. Dems had what should have been a historic 'in-your-face' refutation of that whole thing, and they didn't repond strongly enough. And it cost them. A lot.

I personally don't think that the personal lives of presidents should be public fodder. But I live in this world, where it is. And if you're running around complaining about stench, you'd better make damn sure your own shorts are clean.

If you don't like the 'character' or 'family values' arguments, one good way to make them go away, is to make them untenable for the people that invented them. I've always lived by a rule of thumb, that says, 'I won't hit you first, but I'll damn sure hit you back'.

And let's not forget how big an issue affairs were made by the right, for the purpose of party politics. When the dems have a Special Prosecutor, uncovering details of whether or not John and Cindy, were having sex outside the (oh-so-precious and sacred) marriage bonds, on taxpayer money, THEN you can say, the dems are as bad.

McCain is a political whore of the highest caliber. He's proven time and again, that he'll divest himself of any idea or value, if it furthers his goals. His relationship with Bushco, is symptomatic of the nature of the man.

If you can't ask about the character of a man who divorced a cripple to marry corporate royalty, thereby launching his political career, then when can you?

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Originally Posted by DRS112

You can bring it up and point out the hypocrisy in Republican "values"...but to make anything more out of it is being hypocritical yourself....

He's influenced by sex and money? oh the humanity!

I said it was okay to criticize the hypocrisy of it...

babylonDon · 06-09-2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

I said it was okay to criticize the hypocrisy of it...

I can think of a dozen reasons why it's fair. And party politics, is where we're at, like it or not. I think the question should be hammered away at, over and over, until he can provide an answer for his actions, that doesn't sound odious. Because I don't think he can.

And early indications show that if the Dems don't take the offensive in this election, they're going to spend all summer and fall, talking about the Trinity Church and Ayers.

DRS112 · 06-09-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by babylonDon

I can think of a dozen reasons why it's fair. And party politics, is where we're at, like it or not. I think the question should be hammered away at, over and over, until he can provide an answer for his actions, that doesn't sound odious. Because I don't think he can.

And early indications show that if the Dems don't take the offensive in this election, they're going to spend all summer and fall, talking about the Trinity Church and Ayers.

Sure...you can..It would only be fair to do it because of their own hypocrisy...

But I don't believe that it would be right to actually believe that what happened matters outside of that realm....cause really if we compare the two events(Clinton and McCain) we have this

Clinton had an affair and then committed perjury

McCain had an affair an then left his disabled wife

For the life of me I can't see why one matters more than the other....other than the hypocrisy of one side thinking it's okay in one instance and not in the other....if you want to play on the same level as those that tried to crucify Clinton then so be it...it's your prerogative...but just as hypocritical...two wrongs don't make a right...

and it also doesn't help to "change" what politics in Washington is about....

Jonesy · 06-09-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by babylonDon

I can think of a dozen reasons why it's fair. And party politics, is where we're at, like it or not. I think the question should be hammered away at, over and over, until he can provide an answer for his actions, that doesn't sound odious. Because I don't think he can.

And early indications show that if the Dems don't take the offensive in this election, they're going to spend all summer and fall, talking about the Trinity Church and Ayers.

Republicans care more about things like 'character' because they elect rulers, not servants.

If they talk about Trinity Church and Ayers, you can talk about something else. Because of relativity, what you discuss can make them look idiotic. You don't need to attack.

babylonDon · 06-09-2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

Sure...you can..It would only be fair to do it because of their own hypocrisy...

But I don't believe that it would be right to actually believe that what happened matters outside of that realm....cause really if we compare the two events(Clinton and McCain) we have this

Clinton had an affair and then committed perjury

McCain had an affair an then left his disabled wife

For the life of me I can't see why one matters more than the other....other than the hypocrisy of one side thinking it's okay in one instance and not in the other....if you want to play on the same level as those that tried to crucify Clinton then so be it...it's your prerogative...but just as hypocritical...two wrongs don't make a right...

and it also doesn't help to "change" what politics in Washington is about....

Fair enough. I honestly don't believe that marital fidelity should be an issue in politics.

I can see why one matters more than the other. And it has nothing to do with who shot semen on who.

If it was a question of John McCain cheating on his wife, I'd have laughed, brought up the one thousand or so Repubs who have feet of clay.

It's about power, and ambition, and what lengths you're willing to go to, attaining them.

Another question this year is going to be experience. Repubs are going to repeat over and over again, that Obama lacks experience. His political resume is not as long as McCain's.

But the first line of McCain's political resume should read, 'Ditched a crippled woman to marry Budweiser.'

If your 'infidelity' was your introduction to your political career, it seems significant. Outside of the physical action of sticking your penis into a vagina that doesn't belong to the person you're married to.

And being above the slimier aspects of current Washington politics, certainly HAS changed them. It's given us two terms of George Bush.
But that's a different debate, imo.

babylonDon · 06-09-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

Republicans care more about things like 'character' because they elect rulers, not servants.

If they talk about Trinity Church and Ayers, you can talk about something else. Because of relativity, what you discuss can make them look idiotic. You don't need to attack.

I'll try this, even though discussing things with you, can be like trying to to tie a bow around smoke.

Republicans, (the ones in charge anyway) DON'T care about character, and never have. They care about convincing enough voters that they care about it, and that they are the ones who have it.

There are is a seemingly large percentage of American voters who have no ability to discern detail. There's a formula at work, that is proven effective time after time.

If you say something enough, it becomes accepted as truth.

Hussein had ties to Osama
They hate us for our freedom
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ibex · 06-09-2008, 08:31 AM

Family values and McCain? How about this, a certain Presidential candidate makes nice with the same people who started a whispering campaign that his wife was a mental patient and his daughter was a bastard. Sometimes, personal issues matter especially if your party's platform says so. The silence of social conservatives on this particular skeleton in McCain's closet is deafening. As a parent, he committed an unforgivable sin.

BillCosby · 06-09-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

I heard Cindy talk about how they met and how he pursued her and chased after her....about them both lying about their age and not discovering the truth until after they were married.

All and all pretty disgusting when you realise he was married to someone else. The story she tells is a story of infidelity! Of a cheat...not to mention she knew he was married. They are both adulterers.

John McCain has PROVEN he cannot be trusted......at all!

How cute......... I guess it is round about compliments to their youthful looks, vigor & makeup artists...

You know I really gotta wonder how shallow two ppl can possibly be if they got married & didn't even know the age of their perspective spouse........

That is either a totally dumb lie or two totally dumb ppl..........

Cookie · 06-09-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

I see it more as them starting the trend so don't complain when someone Like McCain is a known cheat. So now after Clinton we are supposed to ignore it it in a Republican? I don't think so.

It shows that he is not a strong man at all. He is influenced by sex and big money.

Where he should be better than that.

it's just surprising that it isn't ignored now, because it was ignored for eight years. remember all the clap trap about how it's his private life and it's no one's business....doesn't affect his ability to govern.....blah blah blah.

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ibex Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,774 My Mood: Thanks: 147 Thanked 156 Times in 102 Posts	Family values and McCain? How about this, a certain Presidential candidate makes nice with the same people who started a whispering campaign that his wife was a mental patient and his daughter was a bastard. Sometimes, personal issues matter especially if your party's platform says so. The silence of social conservatives on this particular skeleton in McCain's closet is deafening. As a parent, he committed an unforgivable sin.
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