Kristol:W might bomb Iran if thinks Obama will win

julia · 06-23-2008, 12:22 PM

Kristol: Bush Might Bomb Iran If He 'Thinks Obama's Going To Win

Think Progress June 22

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On Fox News Sunday this morning, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said that President Bush is more likely to attack Iran if he believes Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is going to be elected.

However, "if the president thought John McCain was going to be the next president, he would think it more appropriate to let the next president make that decision than do it on his way out," Kristol said, reinforcing the fact that McCain is offering a third Bush term on Iran.

"I do wonder with Senator Obama, if President Bush thinks Senator Obama's going to win, does he somehow think -- does he worry that Obama won't follow through on that policy," Kristol added. Host Chris Wallace then asked if Kristol was suggesting that Bush might "launch a military strike" before or after the election.
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Think Progress » Kristol: Bush Might Bomb Iran If He ‘Thinks Senator Obama’s Going To Win’

Holy shit!!
No one wants to go through these motions again!!!

VKMHVM2 · 06-23-2008, 12:30 PM

Okay folks, since it does look like Obama will win the election (as long as he stays out of small airplanes), and since Obama will probably not support starting a whole new war with Iran, then the Neocons and Israel-firsters not only have to start a war with Iran while Bush is still in office, but have to have long enough to get the US so stuck in Iran that Obama can't pull us out without it looking like a new military defeat for the United States. That will take a good three months to do, so to get a good war with Iran going the Israel-firsters have to get it kicked off by end of summer at the latest.

Which is why I an a touch nervous about the Fourth of July as a potential false flag date.

WHATREALLYHAPPENED.COM

EvilMonkey · 06-23-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

Kristol: Bush Might Bomb Iran If He 'Thinks Obama's Going To Win

Think Progress June 22

Think Progress » Kristol: Bush Might Bomb Iran If He ‘Thinks Senator Obama’s Going To Win’

Holy shit!!
No one wants to go through these motions again!!!

Bill Krystol is a dumbass FOX republican, nobdy will ever take him seriously and they shouldn't. Julia, I am surprised you are spreading this crap to be honest.

Environment Man · 06-23-2008, 01:06 PM

I agree with Bush on this.

But get Israel to do it.

VKMHVM2 · 06-23-2008, 01:41 PM

You may get your wish, E-Man.

Bolton: Israel Will Attack Iran After U.S. Election But Before Inauguration, Arab States Will Be 'Delighted'

"I think if they [Israel] are to do anything, the most likely period is after our elections and before the inauguration of the next President. I don't think they will do anything before our election because they don't want to affect it. And they'd have to make a judgment whether to go during the remainder of President Bush's term in office or wait for his successor."

Just when I think Bolton could not possibly bow down any further to his Israeli masters without creating a sharp and critical dislocation of something in his spine, the man surprises me yet again!

And believe me, anything Israel thinks it can get away with in terms of affecting the US election for their betterment, they will do.

Should it appear that Obama will be victorious in the November elections, he and his team had better figure NOW just how they will respond to this scenario, because Bush, the neocons, and the Israeli politicians will want to throw Obama into the worst possible situation they can conjure up before he takes the oath of office.

-WRH

julia · 06-23-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

Bill Krystol is a dumbass FOX republican, nobdy will ever take him seriously and they shouldn't. Julia, I am surprised you are spreading this crap to be honest.

I found it at Huffington Post.

This is how the run-up to Iraq started, if I remember correctly, with the neocon surrogates going on and on about mushroom clouds and smoking guns.

This the use of a principle I don't recall the name of to put an extreme idea out in public discourse to get people used to the idea and not think it is so bad through banalization of said idea.

eagleclaw · 06-23-2008, 02:10 PM

Fourth of July

EvilMonkey · 06-23-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

I found it at Huffington Post.

This is how the run-up to Iraq started, if I remember correctly, with the neocon surrogates going on and on about mushroom clouds and smoking guns.

This the use of a principle I don't recall the name of to put an extreme idea out in public discourse to get people used to the idea and not think it is so bad through banalization of said idea.

Not that I would put it past the president but if he starts another fucking war I hope he is charged for it this time.

julia · 06-23-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

Not that I would put it past the president but if he starts another fucking war I hope he is charged for it this time.

On of the Congressman said that should Bush attack Iran he would start Impeach proceedings immediately.

I want to say it was Conyers. Heretic would know...

This is why I am for starting Impeachment hearings against Bush, to give him some sort of check on his irrational behavior, especially regarding starting wars.

julia · 06-23-2008, 02:36 PM

Ok, it is the Overton Window that I had in mind:
from wiki:

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The Overton window is a concept in political theory, named after the former vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, Joe Overton, who developed the model. It describes a "window" in the range of public reactions to ideas in public discourse, in a spectrum of all possible options on an issue. Overton described a method for moving that window, thereby including previously excluded ideas, while excluding previously acceptable ideas. The technique relies on people promoting ideas even less acceptable than the previous "outer fringe" ideas. That makes those old fringe ideas look less extreme, and thereby acceptable. Delivering rhetoric to define the window provides a plan of action to make more acceptable to the public some ideas by priming them with other ideas allowed to remain unacceptable, but which make the real target ideas seem more acceptable by comparison.

The degrees of acceptance of public ideas can be described roughly as:

* Unthinkable
* Radical
* Acceptable
* Sensible
* Popular
* Policy

The Overton Window is a means of visualizing which ideas define that range of acceptance by where they fall in it, and adding new ideas that can push the old ideas towards acceptance merely by making the limits more extreme.

Overton window - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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