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Old 07-18-2008, 07:07 AM   #101 (permalink)
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I made no claim of any number I need to "back up". The number thrown out was one million. Now, is there anything to back that up or is it from PuffHo?
You gave me 30 minutes when I obviously was not here and then
said I had nothing to back it up.

I said "close to a million."

The Lancet is a British medical journal. Do the google yourself
and look up the Lancet study that published findings on
October 11 2006, almost two years ago, that there had been an estimated 654,965 excess Iraqi deaths related to the war.
There are also several million Iraqi refugees. It is shameful that the
Department of Defense has refused for five years to make any attempt to keep any count of Iraqi civilian deaths. "We don't do
body counts."

Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000

By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 11, 2006

A team of American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003 than would have died if the invasion had not occurred.

The estimate, produced by interviewing residents during a random sampling of households throughout the country, is far higher than ones produced by other groups, including Iraq's government.

It is more than 20 times the estimate of 30,000 civilian deaths that President Bush gave in a speech in December. It is more than 10 times the estimate of roughly 50,000 civilian deaths made by the British-based Iraq Body Count research group.

The surveyors said they found a steady increase in mortality since the invasion, with a steeper rise in the last year that appears to reflect a worsening of violence as reported by the U.S. military, the news media and civilian groups. In the year ending in June, the team calculated Iraq's mortality rate to be roughly four times what it was the year before the war.

Of the total 655,000 estimated "excess deaths," 601,000 resulted from violence and the rest from disease and other causes, according to the study. This is about 500 unexpected violent deaths per day throughout the country.

The survey was done by Iraqi physicians and overseen by epidemiologists at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health. The findings are being published online today by the British medical journal the Lancet.


Besides the 4,000+ dead American troops, a recent "official count"
found that 30,000 of our troops have been wounded in Iraq.
We are not talking about broken fingernails. Tens of thousands
of our own troops are returning with amputations, grave head
injuries, and PTSD.

Only very recently has there been any coverage of the remarkable number of suicides by these returning veterans, higher than any number since WWII.

America Suffers an Epidemic of Suicides Among Traumatised Army Veterans:

America suffers an epidemic of suicides among traumatised army veterans - Times Online

Please note that I have cited the Washington Post and the
United Kingdom Times.
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Old 07-18-2008, 07:27 AM   #102 (permalink)
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who knows the number?
we do know the idea was flawed, and strategically never worth the costs.
No argument there. I was simply questioning the number.

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That said - we do have a chance to mitigate the disaster.
We have a chance to leave a federated state, at least capable of not desending into a cival war.

It's never gonna be a "beacon of democracy" or other Bush delusions.
But it could be a secular state, back to being a hedge againt Iranian influenece;
and an unfriendly base of operations for al_Queda.
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Old 07-19-2008, 11:51 AM   #103 (permalink)
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Iraqi Deaths Due to U. S. Invasion: 1,236,604

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Just Foreign Policy - Iraqi Death Estimate
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