Obama Will Win & Be A Great Christian President - Page 3

itsmeeeeeee · 07-18-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie

It's heartbreaking to think of all that life, all the potential, wasted. Washed down the drain. Oh God. Help us.

yeah, thank god he wants to get us out of iraq.
oh, whoops, you weren't talking about that, were you?

i see bush wants to redefine contraception as abortion.
well, i guess that's ONE way to rebuild the gop and military!!!

CosmicRocker · 07-18-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

Well competence and ability should be informed by values. Nazi scientists were extremely 'competent,' but was that enough? I think not. Mao had ability, but it was selfish and hurtful for tens of millions of regular Chinese peasants.

So no, competence and ability alone are NOT enough.

Do you see anything WRONG with Christian values? Rightly applied?

I am not particurally religious, so I'm neutral on Christianity.
They are a good value system i agree.

But c'mon . comparision to Mao are overblown.

All I really want is a president who can "make the trains run ontime"
Get our ecomomy moving again
( renegotiate the trade agrements, - appoint a trade prosecutor)

I do worry about Obama's desire to get out of Iraq, without consolidating the gains we've made there.
But I also think we've had way to much Neo-Con worldview.

Neither thrill me on foreign policy, but domestic health care reform won't happen under Mccain

I have no big hopes for either - but on balance support Obama

Environment Man · 07-18-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by itsmeeeeeee

yeah, thank god he wants to get us out of iraq.
oh, whoops, you weren't talking about that, were you?

i see bush wants to redefine contraception as abortion.
well, i guess that's ONE way to rebuild the gop and military!!!

I get it. You are attempting 'humor.'

At the expense of GW.

Clearly you hate the GOP AND the U.S. Military.

They are Americans too you know.

Environment Man · 07-18-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

I am not particurally religious, so I'm neutral on Christianity.
They are a good value system i agree.

Acknowledging it is a good value system is a good start.

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But c'mon . comparision to Mao are overblown.

Not really. Mao was a godless man and worshipped himself. I know I say that a lot about many here but he was the epitome of self worship. Self worshippers make very dangerous leaders. I do not believe Obama or McCain are self worshippers, but of the two, Obama is an unknown quantity at the national and international level. I usually know how the Christian mind works so it puts me at ease.

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All I really want is a president who can "make the trains run ontime"
Get our ecomomy moving again
( renegotiate the trade agrements, - appoint a trade prosecutor)

Yet the president has no real power over the trains or the economy (well AMTRAK is a socialist experiment). He has the bully pulpit of the presidency to 'inspire the people.' He signs bills that Congress formulates even though he can initiate his ideas through his party leaders.

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I do worry about Obama's desire to get out of Iraq, without consolidating the gains we've made there.
But I also think we've had way to much Neo-Con worldview.

Neither thrill me on foreign policy, but domestic health care reform won't happen under Mccain

I have no big hopes for either - but on balance support Obama

Yet foreign policy is crucial in a terrorist world. What will either do if China invades Taiwan? What will either do if Iran gets its hands on a nuke and uses it against Jerusalem? At least both are Christians so I have a good idea of what their responses will be. Obama though has less experience in military matters, so McCain clearly wins in that category.

julia · 07-18-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

quote E: He has backed off the partial birth abortion position Cookie.

He is against abortion but does not want to IMPOSE his religious belief of devil women who want to murder their babies in their own wombs.

I think he might be the one to go after Roe though. (In a second term).

Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
More good news. We can only pray that he will have a change of heart and end Roe.

It's heartbreaking to think of all that life, all the potential, wasted. Washed down the drain. Oh God. Help us.

You two are greatly misinformed.
The correct term first of all is Late Term abortion.
P-b abortion was a term dreamed up by a right-wing staffer to catch the attention of unsuspecting people like you.
It is well known and documented that most Late term abortions are done for medical reasons when the fetus had died and will not live once born.
There was an excellent article written about this in January's Vogue.
Thanks to people like you, a woman who's fetus has died in her womb would have to carry a dead or dying fetus to term.
So nice that you don't give a darn about a living, pregnant and vulnerable woman able to make that difficult choice to with her doctor.
So much for being "pro-life" when you could be so misinformed and give a crap about the emotional and physical suffering of a family.

Think ignoring the truth will make it go away....?!

Environment Man · 07-18-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

Think ignoring the truth will make it go away....?!

Call it what it is: Baby Murder by the mother. A rose by any other name is still a rose. If it walks and quacks like a duck.

People should have more respect for the power of sex. Then they would not want to murder their babies.

I submit that the same people who are not serious about fucking are the same ones who murder their babies.

julia · 07-18-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

Call it what it is: Baby Murder by the mother. A rose by any other name is still a rose. If it walks and quacks like a duck.

People should have more respect for the power of sex. Then they would not want to murder their babies.

I submit that the same people who are not serious about fucking are the same ones who murder their babies.

That's just stupid.
Next time read the whole post.

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Thanks to people like you, a woman who's fetus has died in her womb would have to carry a dead or dying fetus to term.
So nice that you don't give a darn about a living, pregnant and vulnerable woman able to make that difficult choice to with her doctor.
So much for being "pro-life" when you could be so misinformed and give a crap about the emotional and physical suffering of a family.

Environment Man · 07-18-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

That's just stupid.
Next time read the whole post.

I read it. I just ignored it. Late term abortions are NOT mostly still borns. Please.

It is lazy fucking women who want to screw without consequence. Men too.

julia · 07-18-2008, 04:35 PM

That is simply NOT true.

Most Late term abortions are done for medical reasons because something has gone seriously wrong with the fetus.

Show some independent thought!

Environment Man · 07-18-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

That is simply NOT true.

Most Late term abortions are done for medical reasons because something has gone seriously wrong with the fetus.

Show some independent thought!

I lost a child that way. So do not seek to lecture to me about this. The child was dead in the womb though and not alive.

Protect all children after conception.

What has gone wrong with the women of the world?

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