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Old 08-03-2008, 03:27 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Hide behind the principle thing all you want----for the Dems it is ALWAYS more about blowing their own personal horn---"I am a person of principle" than it is about getting a candidate elected.

There is NO perfect candidate and YOUR (universal you) way is not the ONLY way to skin a cat!

The intolerance and inflexiblity that the democratic electorate is displaying is TYPICAL and the results will be the same.......
You have to lecture your own about this and the repukes crack a joke, make a funny ad and have a drink.

I am criticizing my own here because I get to look on both sides and the Dems just make it too damn hard and complex when it is easy and simple.
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Why can't I get away with saying this?
Why can't you?
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If I am critical at all of Obama or the Dems, Eric stomps me down and tells me to go to the Conservatives forum to write my 'shit.'
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It good for the MSM to have a close race b/c it leads to more viewers, whether it is true or not.

Please stop using "flip flop". What is the point of using right wing talking points? Do you even know that you are doing it? She this talking point worked for W and the rethugs but how does this republican administration work out for you? Are you better off than you were four years ago? eight years ago?

Like you have never changed your mind about anything?

I wish to hell W had changed his mind many times and that he had better ran the war in Iraq and did not fire the generals he did not agree with, etc.
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I don't think so man. He's about spot on here whether people like to hear it or not...those are some of the reason Obama is being viewed as a flip-flopper...Even if it isn't true relative to McCain.


Also, I get what's being said about Town Hall debates, but it still doesn't change the way people will view it. Also, they have the ability to work out the details so that it either A) doesn't have to be a town hall style debate or B)they make it fair somehow.,...it can be done....At least find a way to make it look like he has some spine when backing down....
Have you read any of his posts on here? You can't be serious, spot on???

He has been anti Obama from day one and his main contention has always been that Americans will not accept a black man in office. Just as pro Clinton as some of us are pro Obama, granted, but to say he's spot on? That just shows how little you pay attention man.
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Why can't I get away with saying this?
Because you would never say anything like this, you would make it a liberal bash fest instead. I happen to completely agree with what he is saying and how he is saying it. It's not about party, it's about who you think is a better president. I was a staunch Reagan supporter and though I may not have agreed with all of his policies he was a great president overall and well viewed by the rest of the world. Republican or democrat doesn't make a difference to me as long as the person fits the bill.
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It good for the MSM to have a close race b/c it leads to more viewers, whether it is true or not.

Please stop using "flip flop". What is the point of using right wing talking points? Do you even know that you are doing it? She this talking point worked for W and the rethugs but how does this republican administration work out for you? Are you better off than you were four years ago? eight years ago?

Like you have never changed your mind about anything?

I wish to hell W had changed his mind many times and that he had better ran the war in Iraq and did not fire the generals he did not agree with, etc.
It's not about whether it is deserved or not...it's about WHY he's having the problems he's having lately...sorry.......I don't know what else to say to get that through everybody's head here...
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Have you read any of his posts on here? You can't be serious, spot on???

He has been anti Obama from day one and his main contention has always been that Americans will not accept a black man in office. Just as pro Clinton as some of us are pro Obama, granted, but to say he's spot on? That just shows how little you pay attention man.

I get what you're saying about JD...but aside from the Wright thing I think he's right...that there is this perception that he's a flip-flopper or whatever now....DUE to allowing McCain to paint him as such....It's a problem for his campaign....I don't think his campaing is handling it right...that's why this whole debate thing is just going to add to it..
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If I am critical at all of Obama or the Dems, Eric stomps me down and tells me to go to the Conservatives forum to write my 'shit.'

Whining about it is getting old Eman----everything you are posting is still all about you----get a clue!
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I get what you're saying about JD...but aside from the Wright thing I think he's right...that there is this perception that he's a flip-flopper or whatever now....DUE to allowing McCain to paint him as such....It's a problem for his campaign....I don't think his campaing is handling it right...that's why this whole debate thing is just going to add to it..
Yep and he's also been successfully painted as too popular, too presidential, etc. and he will continue to be swiftboated as long as he just sits back and takes it, just like Kerry did. He would be in a much better position to flip flop on policies here and there (like they all do) if he hit back and built up a little padding, he's choosing his own path by letting himself get walked all over like this.
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