DanS.

The last part was too funny to omit

BEAVER, Pa. — Keep your eyes on Pennsylvania and Michigan.

There are battleground states in the presidential election, and then there are these two, looming larger than most others because they offer such a rich opportunity for Republican John McCain and potential peril for Democrat Barack Obama.

What worries Obama, and gives McCain hope, is that both states have hundreds of thousands of white, mostly working-class Democrats who seem wary of Obama. In the Pennsylvania primary they gave Hillary Rodham Clinton a big win over Obama, and now McCain is wooing them hard.

"I need Pennsylvania," Obama told a crowd of several thousand at an outdoor rally on Friday night, "I need Beaver, Pennsylvania. I need you to stand up beside me and say now is the time to bring about change in America."

In the crowd, Kim Stelmach of Pittsburgh cheered, and fretted a bit. Despite having young twins at home, she finds time to volunteer for Obama, and is well aware that Pennsylvania is a must-win state.

"I'm extremely nervous," she said of Obama's standing with white working-class Democrats. "That's why I'm volunteering."

Pennsylvania and Michigan have thousands of white working-class voters who call themselves Democrats but sometimes vote Republican.

If McCain carries either state, he could lose several states that President Bush won and still claim the White House. For Obama, a loss in either would put him in a deep hole, forcing him to win numerous states that have voted Republican in recent elections to have any hope of prevailing on Nov. 4.

It's no coincidence that Obama and his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, made Pennsylvania their first stop Friday after leaving their party's convention in Denver, with several Michigan stops scheduled for Sunday and Monday. McCain and his new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, held a rally Saturday in Washington, Pa., and they have promised to visit both states repeatedly.

There are plenty of other vigorously contested states: Florida, Ohio, Missouri, Colorado and Virginia, to name a few. But Michigan and Pennsylvania are different.

John Kerry and Al Gore carried both in their losing campaigns in 2000 and 2004. So they form an almost must-win minimum for Obama. He would start with the base those two men had, and then try to pick up enough Bush-carried states to put him over the top.

They're being told by Obama's people that their personal and political interests should trump any qualms about voting for a black man in his first Senate term.

Polls show Obama slightly ahead in both states, but McCain may be within striking distance.

To be elected, Obama must win 18 more electoral votes than Kerry did four years ago. If he loses Pennsylvania, his deficit jumps to 39 electoral votes. If he loses Michigan instead, the gap is 35.

Those are big numbers, because the Bush-won states that look most promising for Obama tend to be small, with few electoral votes.

The possibilities and math can get complicated.

Suppose Obama carried every state that Kerry did, including Michigan and Pennsylvania, and then added Bush's states of Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada, all prime targets this year. He'd still lose to McCain.

But if he grabbed one more state that Kerry lost — Colorado, for instance — then he would be president.

McCain, on the other hand, could lose Ohio or Florida (both won by Bush in 2000 and 2004) and essentially offset it with a win in Michigan or Pennsylvania. Swapping Florida for Michigan would cost McCain 10 net electoral votes, but he'd still win the election if all other states followed 2004 results.

Obama's challenge becomes far greater if he loses either Pennsylvania or Michigan. Even if he won all the other Kerry states from 2004 and added the Bush states of New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa and Virginia — a state with 13 electoral votes that Democrats haven't won in decades — he would lose the election.

Michigan and Pennsylvania have been hit hard by the long decline in heavy manufacturing jobs, especially in the steel and auto industries. Obama tells workers (and unemployed people) that Republicans have abandoned them. He promises to invest in technologies that will create jobs, and to cut middle-class taxes to help families pay their bills.

McCain also promises to bring more jobs to the heartland. He places more emphasis on across-the-board tax cuts and greater flexibility in finding health insurance.

Obama did not campaign in Michigan during the primary because a Democratic Party dispute essentially negated the state's primary election. He needs to make up for lost time, says Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm.

He needs to "come, come, come to Michigan," she said. The state's wary voters, she said, need "to feel him, see him, touch him."

McCain, too, would love nothing better than to win them over, which could give him a victory in Michigan and a huge step toward the White House.


http://www.comcast.net/articles/news...ground.Stakes/

DanS.

Really probably the most intriguing part though has to be the math...

CosmicRocker

If Obama looses PA. That means he ain't gonna win the other states mentioned here ( Fl. Oh. Co. 0 etc. ).

It would mean a huge Mccain win for Obama to not win PA.
An electoral landslide

But that ain't gonna happen.
Obama would have to self destruct; and that ain't gonna happen either.

HarperLee

You were right when you told us the Clintons would behave at the
convention, so I am hoping you are right about this too.

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DanS.

Obama is leading farther in PA than he is in MI. But like the article said, McCain could lose either OH or FL and offset it with a win in MI or PA all things constant. But as it stands McCain is winning in both FL and OH

Battleground States Obama McCain Spread

Colorado................45.2.....44.8.....Obama +0.4
Nevada.................44.3......45.3.....McCain +1.0
Michigan................46.0......41.7.....Obama +4.3
Ohio......................43.3.......44.5....McCai n +1.2
Pennsylvania...........47.4......42.4......Obama +5.0
Florida...................43.2.......46.3.....McCa in +3.1

Heretic

Yeah, somehow that's just not destined to come out right.

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RK77

You must have missed all of the other mathematically challenged comments that are the MO for him.

For months we were treated to the Florida is essential rants and we listened to the Hillary will pull this out propaganda virtually up until South Dakota!

Math is just not some people's strong suit.

Now......if you are counting on his crystal ball prediction that if Obama loses PA he will automatically lose Fla, OH, CO, etc. I cannot speak to that. Who knows where he gets his "psychic" powers. He has stated it as fact ---not opinion so he must be very, very sure of himself.......after all NO ONE spends more time around here looking for ways that Obama can lose......

And definitely no one crys out for a loss day in and day out while protesting that REALLY he is going to vote for Obama and that he is just playing the perpetual devils advocate to keep those of us too fuckwad stupid to evaluate the down sides in this election without his well researched, well read, amply experienced insights ---well----shall we say --- "informed".


We are just so lucky to have a PUMA in sheep attire in our midsts!

CosmicRocker

I got it from Chuck Todd - good enough for you?
We're not so lucky to have a bombthrowing, foul mouthed, hateful, unadorned witch in our midsts.

julia

Chuck Todd always speaks in the conditional so he has been misunderstood.

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RK77

Yes. Without a doubt he was misunderstood. Some people should just stick to Fox---where they belong!