ibex

With all this discussion going on around here about how so many of us weepy libs, Gloomy Guses and Snivelling Sallies if you will, need to get over ourselves when it comes to race relations, or the often contentious state thereof, I'd like to offer a link to quotes from a white male who was actually a Presidential candidate in two recent elections and today remains a political commentator on the so called Left leaning MSNBC. That's right, "It's Pat!" Pat Buchanan In His Own Words

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On race relations in the late 1940s and early 1950s: "There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." (Right from the Beginning, Buchanan's 1988 autobiography, p. 131)
AHHH the good old days. Kinda makes you feel warm all over, doesn't it Cos?

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Buchanan, who opposed virtually every civil rights law and court decision of the last 30 years, published FBI smears of Martin Luther King Jr. as his own editorials in the St. Louis Globe Democrat in the mid-1960s. "We were among Hoover's conduits to the American people," he boasted (Right from the Beginning, p. 283).

White House advisor Buchanan urged President Nixon in an April 1969 memo not to visit "the Widow King" on the first anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination, warning that a visit would "outrage many, many people who believe Dr. King was a fraud and a demagogue and perhaps worse.... Others consider him the Devil incarnate. Dr. King is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history." (New York Daily News, 10/1/90)
Now just where have I read similar words before? You know, about older white people being offended by certain words used by an African American figure? I'm stumped, like I'm in some type of cosmic fog Man!

ibex

Media Matters - Limbaugh on Obama: "Halfrican American" Now here's another great white dope who has an estimated 15 to 20 million listeners every day his for shit radio program airs. This douchebag ought to be marginalized and yet he's a media star and makes tens of millions of dollars. Still think we've overcome Cosmic One?

RK77

Those who live their lives in a cosmic fog are truly confused and feign insult whenever people speak up and point out that the veil that they THINK is hiding their racism is slipping!

We are all expected to play along and pretend that we don't see the horns and tails they sport. WE are wrong if we identify them as just exactly what they are -----RACIST and BIGOTS.

By succeeding in bludgeoning and shaming their white compadre's into agreeing with them that they should be able to act racist and make racist statements without ever being called on them they are successful in making others as harmful as any good ole boy riding on a pick up shouting "n*gger at the top of their lungs!

Look at the dipshits who invariably arrive in a conversation where these diseased people are challenged on their racism whining about "I like them and I know them THEREFORE they must not be racist".

Who are they defending----themselves! This is the clearest indicator that they KNOW precisely what their buddies are and in an effort to address their own part in the heinous bigotry they will attempt to defend the indefensible.

They never arrive with a concern about the content of the accusation just with some demented character reference that goes like this---"I think I am okay, so if MY opinion is that this person isn't racist ---- that should be the final word"

It is a major form of white privilege that makes these people that 'white is right' and it can be proxied out to those they like.

CosmicRocker

I'm supposed to respond to this garbage?

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Bob Dylan, Jeff Lynne, Tom Petty, George Harrison, Roy Orbison

disfigured

Regardless of his comments, I don't care they're his, not mine. He knows more about the Republican party then most of you guys.

Listen to what he says about that subject and you might have a chance to win.

Besides there are far worse people then him.

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CosmicRocker

um..thank you? ( i think )

Look. I just think that constantly focusing on race is a destructive
way to look at things.

Yes there is racism. There is sexism. There is hatred from whites to blacks and blacks to white.

Hell; Hispanics and blacks have had more than their share of animosity.

All I' ve really tried to say is stop thinking that way first.
Stop assuming voters for Mcain are idiots, or racists, or ..whatever.


Lots of good Americans support Mccain.
Lot's of good americans support Obama.


If you can see them as political opponents, and not demons ( like the Horns and tail comment) -
you can contest them on ideas.
Let the pollsters worry about group identitys, we are all individuals with unique perceptions.

But if you force ppl to think of race first, theyre going to go back to old tribal instincts,
and the dream of post racial politcs will never happen.

You're not gonna stop sexism/racism;but if you think the worst of people
you're not ever gonna change them either - they'll just be marginalized from your ideas

No - I'm not a Republican, never have been in my life.
But I don't like the Democratic Party's way of PC thought either.

That's why I've dumped Party labels, just like I dumped religion.
I don't need any organization to belong to, either in politics, or in my approach to enlightenment.

Anything an organization can do, I can do better for myself.
No filters, no biases, no pre-conceptions.
No attachments ( in the Buddhist sense of an ideal)

Just think for yourself. Rely on yourself. You came into this world alone and without anything.
You'll leave the same way.
Don't entangle your mind with desires and pre-conceptions while you are here.

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Bob Dylan, Jeff Lynne, Tom Petty, George Harrison, Roy Orbison

ibex

The smart people who support McCain are living in fear or denial, or possibly both, but that's not what I was trying to address in this thread. I'm letting you know Cosmo that I'm sick and tired of your constant refrain that racism is no big deal. My point in quoting Buchanan and Limbaugh is that it remains perfectly acceptable in public discourse. And don't even try to bring up Imus as a counterpoint, he was cut loose because his Arbitron ratings sucked, his fat red neck mouth only gave MSNBC and Viacom an excuse they needed to ditch his sorry ass. While the racism traded in by the Clinton campaign was sometimes blatant and obvious against Obama, with McCain and his acolytes, it's been more subtle. You often declare your faithful viewership of Fox and CNN and complained non stop months ago about Obama's "typical white person" remark as if it were a slight against your own mother, but you're telling us now we're the ones who need to "get over" race? And whay about CNN, they covered the Reverend Wright 24/7 for a few weeks but have all but ignored the fact that Sara Palin's husband was a card carrying member of the Alaska Independence Party, or that Palin herself publicly stated when she was mayor of that hick town that the AIP did "good work." I'm not a mind reader Cosmo, maybe you're so hell bent on making up excuses for rich white guys because you want to be one or perhaps you're in search of a father figure, but I'll tell you this, all this transcribing of Lennon or the veneer of hippy ethos can't hide the fact that the only thing you have in common with the best of your own generation is your taste in music. In another thread, somebody pointed out that Republicans in Michigan are actively trying to disenfranchise minority voters by using lists of local home foreclosures for cross reference purposes against lists of registered voters. This is racism and dirty politics, a new form of poll tax from the Jim Crow era. If you can't deal with that, do the world a favor, go to your room, close the shades, light up a bong and listen to Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Captain Beefheart, The Byrds and the Flying Burito Brothers for the rest of your life.

ibex

I've been listening for months. It's a broken record, a one note performance that he's been putting on since Obama came to the fore. He feigns objectivity and common sense, tosses out bombs about the issue of race relations and hides behind a virtual Dashiki shirt and love beads, transcribing out of context quotes from songs that get endless airplay on any classic rock station in the US. It's as if I've been transported back 40 years and I'm trying to talk sense to a sixteen year old stoner. That's why exasperation is the closest I'll get to seriously dealing with Captain Trips.