PoliticalGroove Forums

Welcome to the PoliticalGroove Forums

We offer discussion, social groups and blogs in an open and free environment. Our free community you will have access to post topics, post blogs, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!



Go Back   PoliticalGroove Forums > Site Discussion > Election Center 2008
Share PG Forum Register Blogs FAQ Members List Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Sponsors
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-17-2008, 09:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 18,615, Level: 86 Points: 18,615, Level: 86 Points: 18,615, Level: 86
Activity: 42% Activity: 42% Activity: 42%
 
HarperLee's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,771
Thanks: 1,731
Thanked 614 Times in 391 Posts
HarperLee is a famous PG member
__________________
Oliver Stone on George W. Bush: "the banality of evil"

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
HarperLee is online now   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Michigan by way of Iowa
Posts: 7,715
Thanks: 975
Thanked 339 Times in 229 Posts
RK77 has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richterscale View Post
Well, that's kinda my argument.

It's 100% Economic warfare.
And 90% Racial warfare.

But the race part is the ugly side effect of the class part.

Either way, voter caging hurts Democrats. Period. On that point, at least, I'm sure we can all agree.
NO!! It is NOT economic warfare!!!! What part of that is not clear.

The republicans are elected by POOR WHITE PEOPLE! When reviewing the polls ALWAYS remember that he who gets the bigger chunk of the minority votes will look to have the most poor people votes---then look at the white votes. And visa versa. So --- if you looked at any state with a greater than 10% minority population movement in the poll in an economic direction is reflective of race.


Last edited by RK77; 09-17-2008 at 09:33 PM.
RK77 is offline   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:30 PM   #13 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Michigan by way of Iowa
Posts: 7,715
Thanks: 975
Thanked 339 Times in 229 Posts
RK77 has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanS. View Post
targeting race or class is not mutually exclusive.

There is enough room under the big GOP tent for both to be discriminated against.
Yes there is. But when it comes to voting---they cannot afford to target anyone white because they are counting on too great a percentage of their votes!

For every 100 white voters they caged out of voting they could lose 60 votes. For every 100 black voters they caged out of voting they would lose 10.
RK77 is offline   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
Administrator
Points: 27,203, Level: 97 Points: 27,203, Level: 97 Points: 27,203, Level: 97
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
 
DanS.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,638
My Mood:
Thanks: 158
Thanked 357 Times in 265 Posts
DanS. is a spectacular PG memberDanS. is a spectacular PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by RK77 View Post
Yes there is. But when it comes to voting---they cannot afford to target anyone white because they are counting on too great a percentage of their votes!

For every 100 white voters they caged out of voting they could lose 60 votes. For every 100 black voters they caged out of voting they would lose 10.

I think they can. The poor white vote varies by region. Poor white males in rural areas are overwhelmingly Republican. Poor white males, from blue states, in heavy union and urban areas are Dems
DanS. is offline   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:51 PM   #15 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Michigan by way of Iowa
Posts: 7,715
Thanks: 975
Thanked 339 Times in 229 Posts
RK77 has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarperLee View Post
This is the sort of thing that really angers me. It is November. It is cold. It is dark. It is raining. And yet african americans in order to exercise their right to vote are expected to stand for hours in this unclimate weather to vote.

THEN----racist bastards run around playing dumb as dirt and claiming that this is not 'institutionalized' it is NOT about race.

This is NOT about economics---not even sort of! Where are the videos of the poor white being subjected to this treatment to vote?

Whole counties all over this nation are poor whites ---- wouldn't it be easy as hell to subject them to such vote suppressing behaviors? Put 1 voting machine in the county and make them drive for ever to vote.

WHY do people try to cover such racist behaviors with such ridiculous assertions!

Of course I may be totally wrong. I'll should wait until Richter produces all this evidence of the 100% economic thing.

100% given that the US population has about 40 times more white poor than black poor (I am guessing at the figure) --- should mean that there must be PLENTY of examples.
RK77 is offline   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:53 PM   #16 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 18,615, Level: 86 Points: 18,615, Level: 86 Points: 18,615, Level: 86
Activity: 42% Activity: 42% Activity: 42%
 
HarperLee's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,771
Thanks: 1,731
Thanked 614 Times in 391 Posts
HarperLee is a famous PG member
Bigger Than Watergate -

The Bush-Cheney operatives sent hundreds of thousands of letters marked "Do not forward" to voters' homes. Letters returned ("caged") were used as evidence to block these voters' right to cast a ballot on grounds they were registered at phony addresses. Who were the evil fakers? Homeless men, students on vacation and Get This American soldiers and Marines. Oh yeah: most of them are Black voters.

Why weren't these African-American voters home when the Republican letters arrived? The homeless men were on park benches, the students were on vacation --- and the soldiers were overseas. Go to Baghdad, lose your vote. Mission Accomplished.

The BRAD BLOG : VIDEO: Greg Palast Finds 'Lost E-Mails' Revealing Karl Rove and New US Attorney Griffin Integrally Involved
__________________
Oliver Stone on George W. Bush: "the banality of evil"

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
HarperLee is online now   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:54 PM   #17 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Michigan by way of Iowa
Posts: 7,715
Thanks: 975
Thanked 339 Times in 229 Posts
RK77 has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanS. View Post
I think they can. The poor white vote varies by region. Poor white males in rural areas are overwhelmingly Republican. Poor white males, from blue states, in heavy union and urban areas are Dems
Could---maybe --- sure----BUT THEY DON'T--- which is the point!

Okay---then there should be PLENTY of examples in white urban areas where these sorts of voting discrepancies occur.

Take a state like Iowa--- where there is little to no black population. OR take the white philadelphia precincts. Can you provide an example of voter suppression in these areas?
RK77 is offline   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:57 PM   #18 (permalink)
Administrator
Points: 27,203, Level: 97 Points: 27,203, Level: 97 Points: 27,203, Level: 97
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
 
DanS.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,638
My Mood:
Thanks: 158
Thanked 357 Times in 265 Posts
DanS. is a spectacular PG memberDanS. is a spectacular PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by RK77 View Post
Okay---then there should be PLENTY of examples in white urban areas where these sorts of voting discrepancies occur.

Take a state like Iowa--- where there is little to no black population. OR take the white philadelphia precincts. Can you provide an example of voter suppression in these areas?
I haven't looked into it at all to be honest. My only point is that it wouldn't be hard to separate poor white dems from poor white republicans.
DanS. is offline   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 09:57 PM   #19 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 18,615, Level: 86 Points: 18,615, Level: 86 Points: 18,615, Level: 86
Activity: 42% Activity: 42% Activity: 42%
 
HarperLee's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,771
Thanks: 1,731
Thanked 614 Times in 391 Posts
HarperLee is a famous PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by RK77 View Post
Could---maybe --- sure----BUT THEY DON'T--- which is the point!

Okay---then there should be PLENTY of examples in white urban areas where these sorts of voting discrepancies occur.

Take a state like Iowa--- where there is little to no black population. OR take the white philadelphia precincts. Can you provide an example of voter suppression in these areas?
The YouTube video shows how white precincts were not targeted in Ohio.
__________________
Oliver Stone on George W. Bush: "the banality of evil"

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
HarperLee is online now   Top
Old 09-17-2008, 10:14 PM   #20 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93 Points: 22,525, Level: 93
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Michigan by way of Iowa
Posts: 7,715
Thanks: 975
Thanked 339 Times in 229 Posts
RK77 has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanS. View Post
I haven't looked into it at all to be honest. My only point is that it wouldn't be hard to separate poor white dems from poor white republicans.
38% of union worker voted for Bush in 2004. Only 11% of his voters were black.

Would you risk that large a percentage of your votes?
RK77 is offline   Top
 

Sponsors

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC8
PoliticalGroove.com General political and social discussion