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Old 09-17-2008, 10:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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38% of union worker voted for Bush in 2004. Only 11% of his voters were black.

Would you risk that large a percentage of your votes?
Yes if I could eliminate the 62% voting for Obama. I would come out way ahead by causing him to lose 2 votes for every one I lost.
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Caging has a 50 year history (at least) in this nation. It has ALWAYS been about disenfranchising black voters. It is just ONE tool of institutionalized racism.

To suggest anything else without ANY evidence----without ANY reason for doing so is just plain silly. Here is an report published by the government about it.

Source --- 36 page report with table of contents. This is a good read.

Voter caging is a term that drew public attention as a result of testimony provided by Monica
Goodling, former White House liaison to the Department of Justice, to a 2007 House Judiciary
Committee hearing on the firings of eight US Attorneys. Although public interest in voter caging is
relatively recent, the practice is not new. Republicans have engaged in voter caging on the national and
state level since the late 1950’s. According to many election observers, voter caging is a controversial
political tactic that typically targets minority voters to directly disenfranchise them or suppress their
vote by intimidation. Republican officials, on the other hand, maintain that voter caging is part of
what they describe as “ballot security” measures necessary to combat voter fraud.

The following report reviews Republican voter caging operations during the last 50 years,
culminating with the unprecedented number of large voter caging operations conducted across
the nation in the 2004 presidential election. The report briefly covers the origins and history of
voter caging and follows with a survey of individual caging operations during this 50-year period.

The key findings are as follows:
• V oter caging is a practice of sending non-forwardable direct mail to registered voters and
using the returned mail to compile lists of voters, called “caging lists,” for the purpose of
challenging their eligibility to vote. In recent years, other techniques, such as database
matching, have been used to compile challenger lists.

• State voter challenge statutes permit partisan individuals to challenge and disqualify voters,
frequently without providing clear standards. These statutes often have their origins in post-
Reconstruction laws that were enacted to deprived African American voters of their franchise.

• These voter caging campaigns, as noted by three researchers at Rice University, arose
simultaneously with the development of the Republican “Southern Strategy” in the
1960’s. Under that strategy, the Party decided to woo disaffected white voters in the
South through rhetorical appeals to “states rights.”

• D ocuments submitted during civil litigation have established that voter caging operations were
directed consciously and specifically at jurisdictions with large numbers of minority voters. At
least one public statement by a state Republican office-holder and private communication
between party officials evidence an unambiguous intent to suppress Black votes. Precincts
that had historically high percentage of voters supporting Democratic candidates, which were
often minority precincts, were also targeted for voter caging operations.

• M edia campaigns immediately before elections were a key part of voter caging operations.

Part of the strategy was to call a press conference to announce the filing of mass challenges
on the eve of the filing deadline. The challenges were billed as evidence of massive voter
fraud although the voter caging lists were, in fact, only evidence of returned mailings.
Frequently, the pre-election media campaigns alleging voter fraud were as vigorously, or
more vigorously, carried out than the challenges themselves.

• A fter an initial voter caging operation in Arizona in 1958, a nationwide voter caging
campaign dubbed “Operation Eagle Eye” was conducted in 1964 by the RN C and state
Republican parties in major metropolitan areas. Voter caging and other voter challenge
operations continued in isolated states during the 1980s and early 1990 and re-emerged
on the political scene as nationwide campaign strategy in 2004.

• I n 2004, political operatives targeted more than half a million voters in voter caging
campaigns in nine states. At least 77,000 voters had their eligibility challenged between
2004 and 2006.

• A t least five states with competitive political environments enacted changes to their voter
challenge statutes just before and after the 2004 election. Three states with Republicancontrolled
legislatures, Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio, made it easier for private individuals
to challenge a voter’s eligibility while Washington and Minnesota passed laws making it
harder for private persons to challenge voters. Minnesota specifically outlawed the use of
caging lists compiled from returned mail sent by a political party.

I sincerely wish I could understand what makes white people go to such dramatic extremes of denial.

I wish I could understand just how they think some peaceful, equitable enviornment is ever going to evolve UNLESS they all think, as Cosmic CLEARLY does, that as long as all the n*ggers grin and bear the abuse of ignorant lowlifes just because they are white things will be just fine. If they are NOT thinking like that---what in the world do they THINK will happen?

When white people confronted with information that they may not have had previously are unable to accept that they ---OMG--- they were misinformed or made some wrong assumptions and recalibrate their thought processes ---HOW will they ever get rid of all the prejudices and stereotypes that they all like to sooooooo readily attribute to those awful parents of theirs brain washing them and FORCING them to be racists.

The degree of frustration that is created by attempting to revisit such a WELL documented--- OBVIOUS point such as this should help white people understand where the "black rage" that they are so scared or turned off by comes from.

Those who are making sincere efforts to evolve will learn and adapt --- every so slightly --- their thinking. The vile racist bastards who are murdering this nation will persist in their denial and INSIST that someone is mistreating them throwing out yet another shoe that fits them all too well!

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Yes if I could eliminate the 62% voting for Obama. I would come out way ahead by causing him to lose 2 votes for every one I lost.
No because if all those targeted were white you would be losing about 3 votes to every ONE of his---remember his 62% includes 88% of the blacks and 53% of the latino's , 54% of the asians --- etc.... You have the white votes.

Also--- recall that OVERALL you NEED your white voters more than he needs your minority voters.
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No because if all those targeted were white you would be losing about 3 votes to every ONE of his---remember his 62% includes 88% of the blacks and 53% of the latino's , 54% of the asians --- etc.... You have the white votes.

Also--- recall that OVERALL you NEED your white voters more than he needs your minority voters.
huh? I thought you were saying that 32% of white union voters voted for bush...which means if he targeted union voters it would be 2:1.

similarly for any concentrated white dem group a simple majority is all it needs to make sense.
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huh? I thought you were saying that 32% of white union voters voted for bush...which means if he targeted union voters it would be 2:1.

similarly for any concentrated white dem group a simple majority is all it needs to make sense.
No--- 32% of all union voters. The exit polls did not break them down by race.

This is something that people seem to keep forgeting when interpreting the polls.

With the Primaries they would keep stressing that Hillary was leading with White women --- and neglect to mention that Obama was winning with ALL women.

If you note the tables I posted for Gore and Kerry--- Note that Gore won ALL women by 54% to 43% but he LOST white women 48% to Bush's 49%.

--Similarly Kerry won all women by 51% to Bush's 48% but he LOST white women 44% to Bush's 55%.
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tactics like this always make me so angry when you hear the republicans spout all their garbage about "spreading democracy" (everywhere but the US) and "country first" (but not for everyone). when will they admit they are not willing to try to win a fair fight ? when will they realize that "the ends justify the means" was the rationale the Nazis used ???
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I wish I could understand just how they think some peaceful, equitable enviornment is ever going to evolve UNLESS they all think, as Cosmic CLEARLY does, that as long as all the n*ggers grin and bear the abuse of ignorant lowlifes just because they are white things will



you are nothing but a racist. a black racist - yes they do exist.

how can this shit be allowed on the boards?
clearly ; some ppl can get away with character assasination.
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A lot has changed since the birth of democracy.

Population has increased geometrically, and social structure is nothing like it used to be.

Families have busy schedules, and getting out to vote is increasingly tougher to do...especially if there are only a few voting machines in a given district.



Why don't we make election day, a two day event?



As well, why don't they make it illegal to send out those "caging" letters, with "do not forward" written on them?

Seems like an easy fix to me
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A lot has changed since the birth of democracy.

Population has increased geometrically, and social structure is nothing like it used to be.

Families have busy schedules, and getting out to vote is increasingly tougher to do...especially if there are only a few voting machines in a given district.

Why don't we make election day, a two day event?
or better yet, just make election day a holiday and close up shop...though that won't ever happen, but there is early voting, we can start voting here in mid-october....


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As well, why don't they make it illegal to send out those "caging" letters, with "do not forward" written on them?
it is illegal....they do it anyway and get fined for it, rinse, repeat....
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tactics like this always make me so angry when you hear the republicans spout all their garbage about "spreading democracy" (everywhere but the US) and "country first" (but not for everyone). when will they admit they are not willing to try to win a fair fight ? when will they realize that "the ends justify the means" was the rationale the Nazis used ???
They cannot win a fair fight.
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