jowey

I would rather be conned with "global warming", "space program" and "peace on earth" than be conned with a "war".

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gorillamom

You got that right.

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The Clock of life is wound but once,
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To tell just when the hands will stop
On what day or what hour.
Now is the only time we have,
So live it with a will,
Don't wait until tomorrow,
The hands may then be still.

anhailla

Exactly...here's another example

from the same website this thread was started from.

Christpoher Bollyn. otherwise known as a nutcase neonazi...
here's an example of one of bollyns articles......"Is Shimon Perez the mastermind behind 9/11?"

that should tell ya all ya need to know.

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Denie

Global Warming Myth people remind me of Young Earth Scientists.

EvilMonkey

sigh.. I guess I am going to have to read that long ass post if I really want to know if this is a case for or against global warning. Off to get my glasses and a cup of coffee.

brian_wilbanks

Weren't you the one complaining about long diatribes?

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JeffinCO

All I know is this....I've seen the results of climate change first-hand, via the beetle infestation in my states forests. The same infestation that had (until recent years) been held in check by deep freezes in wintertime.

No more long deep freezes = more beetles = wave after wave after wave of dead centuries old pine trees.

So,...I would think it stands to reason that we will also feel the impact of the loss of millions of acres of oxygen generating forest - not to mention the fact that its now a tinder box up there.

Sorry, but climate change looks real from where I'm standin.

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Circus

Fact: The earths temperature is increasing
Highly Likely: Humans are contributing at some degree
Pure Speculation: The sensationalist stories about it's possible consequences.

It's as though the environmental movement spouts emotional overwrought melodrama to generate awareness. They need a cause to terrify people with in order to create a rallying cry.
I guess it's a pretty noble agenda. I mean, i can understand why they do it.
I just remain unconvinced that a raise of a few degrees over a hundred years will create armaggedon. The "undispued" science is that it is happening. But the science surrounding "consequences" is highly disputed.

voodoo

My feelings on global warming are mixed.

The 'cyclic argument' is a powerful one to me. It's happened in the past - it will happen again.

In terms of the human impact - that is more ... ambiguous. I know, in the past we've allowed our ego-centric nature to assume we are more important - and have more impact than maybe we do.

That said, look in your back yard, man! Look how man has had an affect on everything around you. Look at the pictures of earth from the moon at night - the lights. There is no question in my mind that we are overrunning our scarce resources. This little rock can't maintain this population explosion forever.

VK haters, blind as that hate makes them, seem to fly by the salient point above - the fear induced by 'climate change' has a lot more to do with fear than the climate. Anything to scare people is advantageous to those who seek to manipulate people. If not climate change it would have to be lizards and ufos and muslims.

There are good reasons to get off oil besides climate implications - I'd focus on those as well as other sustainability strategies.

But fundamentalist capitalism won't allow it.

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EvilMonkey

This is obvious though there is no evidence of it happening this quickly which is where I believe humans have sped up the process. This is something that normally happens over hundreds or thousands of years. Just looking at the last 50 years, the rate of glacier melting has been mind blowing. To believe that we have nothing to do with it is just naive.