GLOBAL WARMING - "The Greatest Scam in History" - Page 3

Circus · 11-24-2007, 12:12 PM

A satelite guest on real time a few months ago said that the consequences of Global Warming are confoundedly speculative.
Maher and the audience pretty much just laughed at him.

Global Warming is just another one of those issues where most people have pigeonholed themselves into two extreme positions.
It's either a complete and total hoax, or it is the undisputed end of all human existence.
As per human nature, anyone in the middle is ridiculed.

gorillamom · 11-24-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

This is obvious though there is no evidence of it happening this quickly which is where I believe humans have sped up the process. This is something that normally happens over hundreds or thousands of years. Just looking at the last 50 years, the rate of glacier melting has been mind blowing. To believe that we have nothing to do with it is just naive.

And unfortunatly there are a millions if not billions of naive people on this earth.

voodoo · 11-24-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

This is obvious though there is no evidence of it happening this quickly which is where I believe humans have sped up the process. This is something that normally happens over hundreds or thousands of years. Just looking at the last 50 years, the rate of glacier melting has been mind blowing. To believe that we have nothing to do with it is just naive.

Not true!
1) I did not say we had nothing to do with it
2) My understanding is the past has seen very dramatic and very fast changes (by viewing vast swaths of time in ice cores)
3) Again, we (humans) have a penchant for thinking we are more important than we are. "GCarlin - the world will be just fine - it's the humans that we should be worried about."

I may very well be ignorant, but I'd dispute naive. I see things they are - not as I want them to be.

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Originally Posted by Circus

As per human nature, anyone in the middle is ridiculed.

I gotta agree with you on that one!

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Originally Posted by gorillamom

And unfortunatly there are a millions if not billions of naive people on this earth.

What's more dangerous naive people or rational, homicidal, despotic tyrants who cultivate and orchestrate fear to have their way?

VKMHVM2 · 11-24-2007, 12:40 PM

This is what the man-made global warming hype is all about:

Bloomberg Calls for Tax on Carbon Emissions

Pretty much, it will justify the $7/gallon gas you will be forced to pay. Global warming is just the latest scare mongering to trick you out of your freedoms and your money.

See also: The Global Warming Scam

EvilMonkey · 11-24-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

This is what the man-made global warming hype is all about:

Bloomberg Calls for Tax on Carbon Emissions

Pretty much, it will justify the $7/gallon gas you will be forced to pay. Global warming is just the latest scare mongering to trick you out of your freedoms and your money.

See also: The Global Warming Scam

First of all, thanks for not pasting in another 1000 word diatribe and just giving us a link instead.

It's unfortunate that this has to be a political issue but it's necessary, hence all the debate. If big corporations didn't have a stake in this then it wouldn't be an issue but this thread mine as well be a left bashing segment from Rush Limbaugh. Complete and utter denial with claims like "scam". I mean are people just fucking blind or what? If people cannot simply look at the obvious signs then they will never see it, keep casting alternative energy to the side and ignoring the planet. Good for you, in the end those in denial are going to suffer along with everyone else and if you aren't in the path of whatever destruction that initially takes large populations out, you'll be killing people over a drink of water. Yet, still claiming that we had nothing to do with this "scam". What a joke.

VKMHVM2 · 11-24-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

First of all, thanks for not pasting in another 1000 word diatribe and just giving us a link instead.

It's unfortunate that this has to be a political issue but it's necessary, hence all the debate. If big corporations didn't have a stake in this then it wouldn't be an issue but this thread mine as well be a left bashing segment from Rush Limbaugh. Complete and utter denial with claims like "scam". I mean are people just fucking blind or what? If people cannot simply look at the obvious signs then they will never see it, keep casting alternative energy to the side and ignoring the planet. Good for you, in the end those in denial are going to suffer along with everyone else and if you aren't in the path of whatever destruction that initially takes large populations out, you'll be killing people over a drink of water. Yet, still claiming that we had nothing to do with this "scam". What a joke.

The world is not going to end as a result of global warming. How arrogant of humans to think that conditions have to remain constant for them to feel comfortable. The weather patterns are constantly changing. They go in cycles and it has to do more with sunspots than human activity. In the 1970's, there was a fear of global cooling.

EvilMonkey · 11-24-2007, 01:10 PM

How neglectful of humans to ignore it. Neat little chart from 1975, I am completely certain they knew as much then as they do now.

For reference, here's a 1000 year chart from Wikipedia. I am sure the last 100 years is just a coincidence and nothing to do with our arrogance.

VKMHVM2 · 11-24-2007, 01:14 PM

Researchers: Greenland really was green!

Ice-covered Greenland really was green a half-million or so years ago, covered with forests in a climate much like that of Sweden and eastern Canada today.
Like I keep saying, the Earth is just coming out of an ice age, so of course we are getting warmer. We are far warmer than the ice ages, but (as this new evidence confirms) far colder than the warmest periods in Earth's history.

What right does anyone, even Al Gore, to declare that the current temperature is somehow the "correct" one, and that all other possibilities must be avoided?

EvilMonkey · 11-24-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Researchers: Greenland really was green!

Ice-covered Greenland really was green a half-million or so years ago, covered with forests in a climate much like that of Sweden and eastern Canada today.
Like I keep saying, the Earth is just coming out of an ice age, so of course we are getting warmer. We are far warmer than the ice ages, but (as this new evidence confirms) far colder than the warmest periods in Earth's history.

What right does anyone, even Al Gore, to declare that the current temperature is somehow the "correct" one, and that all other possibilities must be avoided?

Point me to any map that has the same spike just as high as it is now in a 100 year time span. Short of that, Al Gore has every right to make that claim. Perhaps there is an unknown or unproven theory out there but like it or not, even if this is close to accurate, it's hard to dispute.

VKMHVM2 · 11-24-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

Point me to any map that has the same spike just as high as it is now in a 100 year time span. Short of that, Al Gore has every right to make that claim. Perhaps there is an unknown or unproven theory out there but like it or not, even if this is close to accurate, it's hard to dispute.

Looking at annual global temperatures, it is apparent that the last decade shows no warming trend and recent successive annual global temperatures are well within each year's measurement errors. Statistically the world's temperature is flat. The world certainly warmed between 1975 and 1998, but in the past 10 years it has not been increasing at the rate it did. No scientist could honestly look at global temperatures over the past decade and see a rising curve. It is undisputed that the sun of the later part of the 20th century was behaving differently from that of the beginning. Its sunspot cycle is stronger and shorter and, technically speaking, its magnetic field leakage is weaker and its cosmic ray shielding effect stronger. So we see that when the sun's activity was rising, the world warmed. When it peaked in activity in the late 1980s, within a few years global warming stalled. [Telegraph]

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