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Old 11-28-2007, 11:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is controlled/restricted growth UNamerican???

On one hand I want to restrict area growth for the obvious "quality of life" reasons...... Admittedly mostly my own & that of the environment in which I live......

But it seems that this runs in the face of the "american dream" of home (affordable) ownership.......... Were any cheap land can be turned into housing.... Regardless of how this effects the rest of us...

The builders/developers have the locals in their pockets & no, or even slow growth is not even on the agenda.............
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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On one hand I want to restrict area growth for the obvious "quality of life" reasons...... Admittedly mostly my own & that of the environment in which I live......

But it seems that this runs in the face of the "american dream" of home (affordable) ownership.......... Were any cheap land can be turned into housing.... Regardless of how this effects the rest of us...

The builders/developers have the locals in their pockets & no, or even slow growth is not even on the agenda.............
KInda a double edged sword.

Growth does enhance the quality of life in a community....who doesn't love brand new housing and shopping ammenities? But the cost of growth is not only born by those who choose to move out to the edge, but by people who live in the often deteroriating center or core of the city. It violates the "who pays, who benefits principle." We are struggling with urban sprawl in our community also. The cost of creating new sewer treatment plants, running lines for sewer and water is staggering. Not to mention the burden growth places on resources, i.e. potable water and gas/electric. Everyone pays, whether they move out there or not.
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If anything needs to be controllled it's breeding.
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My husband and I are trying to find a nice piece of land to build our home. Living in a habitrail for humans....sub-divison isn't an option. we have a very modern contemporary aesthetic and these vinyl sided monstrosities wont cut it for us. I also want to be in a certain school district but it seems that all the available land in the area are in these crappy Sub-divisions!

There is a great documentary called The End of Suburbia that I think some of you would like.
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On one hand I want to restrict area growth for the obvious "quality of life" reasons...... Admittedly mostly my own & that of the environment in which I live......

But it seems that this runs in the face of the "american dream" of home (affordable) ownership.......... Were any cheap land can be turned into housing.... Regardless of how this effects the rest of us...

The builders/developers have the locals in their pockets & no, or even slow growth is not even on the agenda.............
China is the first nation to voluntarily [at least it was voluntary on the part of the government, not the Chinese citizens] regulate their growth. Europe's growth stop and reduction was less about voluntary and more about what individuals wanted to do.
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I think in evolutionary terms you'll see that. Some humans will have a lot of children and the majority will have one or none at all. Slowly it'll be where there is a breeder phenotype among humans with the rest carrying out other tasks of survival.
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Is controlled/restricted growth unAmerican??

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On one hand I want to restrict area growth for the obvious "quality of life" reasons...... Admittedly mostly my own & that of the environment in which I live......

But it seems that this runs in the face of the "american dream" of home (affordable) ownership.......... Were any cheap land can be turned into housing.... Regardless of how this effects the rest of us...

The builders/developers have the locals in their pockets & no, or even slow growth is not even on the agenda.............
Zoning and environmental laws nation-wide control and restrict our growth and development which certainly is not unAmerican.

Watch this video and it will help you analyze your question;


In my little corner of this Earth, in northern California, where we average 60" of rain annually, water is becoming a scarcity!! We have a creek that runs through our property, which is dry most of the year, but in one low spot, some water about the size of three houses accumulates and forms a pond. Well the CA government through aerial photographs found this speck on their pictures and sent one of their agents to talk with us (and anyone else). Although there have been no decisions yet, their idea was either figure out a way to let that water not accumulate, to run through, or they will assess fines or taxes.

And just last week, I believe it is in the greater Phoenix, AZ area, plans for a water-park have been approved--it will use something like 100 million gallons of water per year!! This is an area that averages 7-8" of rain per year, and for thirty years, three decades, have been warning about water shortages. Yet that area today has been the second fastest growth area in the USA!!

I think most people simply don't care because they find their little niche and make a life. But when something finally and directly affects them in a seriously negative way, like when our roadways become totally gridlocked, the discussions will begin.

Unfortunately...it will be too late by then...
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