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Old 03-09-2008, 11:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Do We Really Need All These Meds?

Gee I have been telling people about this for years and now here it is.
Comcast.net News - AP Probe Finds Drugs in Drinking Water

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Old 03-09-2008, 12:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Part per trillion? lol... If you dig deep enough, you'll find anything and everything.
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Part per trillion? lol... If you dig deep enough, you'll find anything and everything.
I think the issue is not only that we're consuming enough that it shows up in the water after it's been treated...but also the effects of drinking so many different combinations over decades
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I think the issue is not only that we're consuming enough that it shows up in the water after it's been treated...but also the effects of drinking so many different combinations over decades
It shows up 'cause nobody ever bothered to remove it... At part per trillion levels, even detection is difficult, not to mention purification at huge scales required for water treatment. As for effects over decades, how would you separate that from regular aging? OK, grandpa over a course of seven decades will become grandma thanks to estrogen contamination... Unless he's taking loads of Viagra (and therefore contributes to the problem to begin with), by then he won't care anyway.

For two or more drugs to come together at part per trillion dose and have a significant effect, i think you have higher chance of being killed by a terrorist... Article has it wrong - the reason drugs are not delivered through drinking water is not because of cocktail dangers, but rather the reverse - drugs are horribly inefficient. Only a small fraction reaches the intended target (that's how you get the rest in your water supply). You need major overdoses to get any effect.

That said, it is possible for some drugs to have negative effects on their own... Like the chemotherapy ones, because those are designed to kill cells in human bodies. But again, it comes down to the levels... Killing cells is not a particularly bad thing, depends on how many and where.
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It shows up 'cause nobody ever bothered to remove it... At part per trillion levels, even detection is difficult, not to mention purification at huge scales required for water treatment. As for effects over decades, how would you separate that from regular aging? OK, grandpa over a course of seven decades will become grandma thanks to estrogen contamination... Unless he's taking loads of Viagra (and therefore contributes to the problem to begin with), by then he won't care anyway.

For two or more drugs to come together at part per trillion dose and have a significant effect, i think you have higher chance of being killed by a terrorist... Article has it wrong - the reason drugs are not delivered through drinking water is not because of cocktail dangers, but rather the reverse - drugs are horribly inefficient. Only a small fraction reaches the intended target (that's how you get the rest in your water supply). You need major overdoses to get any effect.

That said, it is possible for some drugs to have negative effects on their own... Like the chemotherapy ones, because those are designed to kill cells in human bodies. But again, it comes down to the levels... Killing cells is not a particularly bad thing, depends on how many and where.
You are also missing a big point and that is people who already have comprimised immune systems it is dangerous. Or people like me who had to drink 8-10 gallons of water a day to stay alive for 30 years before I was diagnosed it is dangerous. And for those who are normal guess what, you offspring probably won't be. and by the way, do you know what happens to that reated water and sludge? I'll give you a hint, look at the food on your plate.
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You are also missing a big point and that is people who already have comprimised immune systems it is dangerous. Or people like me who had to drink 8-10 gallons of water a day to stay alive for 30 years before I was diagnosed it is dangerous. And for those who are normal guess what, you offspring probably won't be. and by the way, do you know what happens to that reated water and sludge? I'll give you a hint, look at the food on your plate.
My grandmother recently passed, she was in hospice care at home. The day she passed a nurse immediately came to the house, she logged the medication my grandmother was on, and then promptly poured it down the drain ( my grandmother could no longer swallow pills) I was too distraught to think about what she was doing at the time, however, weeks later I can not believe I let her do that. She was not allowed to take the medication off the premises. She had to destroy it. This is a travesty. People could have used that medicine as well as it now went into poisoning people. How often does this happen in 1 day, not to mention all of the people that already dispose of their own medication this way. Distillation is probably the only safe method of drinking water.
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My grandmother recently passed, she was in hospice care at home. The day she passed a nurse immediately came to the house, she logged the medication my grandmother was on, and then promptly poured it down the drain ( my grandmother could no longer swallow pills) I was too distraught to think about what she was doing at the time, however, weeks later I can not believe I let her do that. She was not allowed to take the medication off the premises. She had to destroy it. This is a travesty. People could have used that medicine as well as it now went into poisoning people. How often does this happen in 1 day, not to mention all of the people that already dispose of their own medication this way. Distillation is probably the only safe method of drinking water.
That still won't work. These medications are also being put down the drain everytime you pee or deficate. The big problem is the meds that are being pushed onto people like antidepressants to keep people distracted from the real issues in this country and poisoning us is one of those issues and people don't want to have their "Feel Good" meds taken as they should be. We should only be giving out the medications that are truely needed. Distilling won't get rid of it. It's like the medications that don't leave the liver and kidney's. Many pain medications do that and that is why they are supposed to be controlled. I say smoke a joint and go for a walk to feel good if you need a drug for that purpose.
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I finally saw this story on MSNBC. I hope people think real hard about what we are doing to ourselves and others.
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You are also missing a big point and that is people who already have comprimised immune systems it is dangerous.
To people with compromised immune systems, everything is dangerous. Most of the danger comes from bugs, not drugs.

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Or people like me who had to drink 8-10 gallons of water a day to stay alive for 30 years before I was diagnosed it is dangerous.
At this high a throughput, vast majority of stuff that comes in with water, will come out. If you can't intake water properly (into your cells), the odds of contaminants somehow passing through is very low... If you can't push through the solvent they are dissolved in, they won't go.
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And for those who are normal guess what, you offspring probably won't be. and by the way, do you know what happens to that reated water and sludge? I'll give you a hint, look at the food on your plate.
I don't plan on having kids Ah, you said 'normal', so that does not apply... Offspring should worry about one thing - asthma. People are obsessed with clean stuff, anti bacterial agents reduce your immune system's chances for target practice. This messes it up, you get a whole bunch of allergies. This is the only kids' problem that is significant... The rest is quite minor stuff.

And yes, i know, all food was someones' shit before
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Actually you have it wrong. I flush everything out with my water diabetes and that is why I can not pass a UA or blood screening for drugs. Nothing shows up because my body is in a constant state of flushing which makes my urine and blood dilute. The more we medicate people who really don't need drugs like antidepressants the worse people's immune systems will be. They just released a study in England that showed that most of these poison antidepressants do not work in the first place, so why are they being pushed on people and polluting the very place we depend on to stay alive?
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