PursuitOfHappinessParty

No, your analogy would be correct if I were taking him to see the failures of zoos, which BTW I do point out to him.



"apeman"? Has your POV devolved to this already?

Riddle me this, oh snarky one, where do these programs get their money from? People? People who've connected to the animals how? Average, everyday people who have grown to appreciate animals how?
If you carefully read, or even just plain-ole-read my post, you'd notice I didn't say the ZOO paid for didley.


So once they've had their habitats destroyed, or they've been hunted out of existence then Fuck them, is that what you're saying? Don't even try to bring them back? And you proport to be an animal lover? Must I point out the successes of these programs? Ever hear of the California Condor?

Alligator farms actually pen their gators. They even sell the meat after KILLING them. Yet, alligator farms were quite crucial to repopulating the species. Great for educating people over the good of the animal, much like zoos do.

Think back towards your own childhood and tell me your love of animals doesn't have a crucial zoo trip or two in it. Without zoos, people's apathy towards animals in the wild would spell their doom.

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Heretic

My analogy is correct regardless.

International aid agencies, national governments, a U.N. agency as well as private donations large and small.

Yes, effectively destroying your own argument.

You know better than to suggest that. The breeding program for gorillas hasn't accounted for the narrow genepool they're working with. Until they bother increasing genetic diversity they're only making it worse.

An entirely different scenario. They had a healthy population where inbreeding never once manifested.

No, it doesn't. It stems from documentaries of them in the wild.

So that excuses keeping them depressed because of restricting and unnatural settings as well as inbreeding them to the point where they can barely survive to adulthood? Remind me not to let you run any zoo.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

You know what? I'm not doing this. You are either not bothering to read what I'm posting or you've no reading comprehension.

I do not support the fucked up policies of some zoos. I would prefer zoos to be structured differently. Yet this thread was quickly dissolving into a complete zoo-bashing thread and in my opinion they serve an absolutely necessary purpose. They help people to connect with the animials. Docs on TV don't do that. You say you've never gone to a zoo, that docs are why you love animials and I say you're probably a liar. I also say that goody for you, but nothing about what I've seen about human nature nor anything I've seen in relation to this subject makes me think otherwise about the rest of us. Certainly nothing you've posted, all you post is opinion and then hostility when you don't get your way.

You can't seem to seperate the fact that my position is that many of those donations from people stem from their views on animals gained from visits to zoos and not FROM the zoos. I've never once said the zoos gave one fucking penny, yet you just keep going on and on about it like I did. You're delusional.

Conveniently skipped those parts of the posts you couldn't answer, ie Condor remark? I notice how you have to chop up a post to reply to it. If you notice, I do not.

You have continued to show a complete lack of composure or civility during this debate. I can actually appreciate your passion as well as your intentions towards the animals, but I don't support your position. I feel your solution would eradicate many species.

Since we are at an impasse, I cease.

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gorillamom

I think you are right.

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gorillamom

This is where you have been brainwashed. Tell me, what was the last thing you actuallt learned when visiting a zoo. They are for us to gawk at and that's it. Your child can learn more about these animals in a classroom than visiting a zoo. Zoos are for entertainment and that's it. And Zoo Atlanta took all their info on their gorillas parentage off of their website after let their secret out. But then all you had to do was read it before they took it off their site.

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ciaobox2007

where the heck have you been?????????????

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gorillamom

I shut down my internet, cable and phone. Got a cell phone though. I need to get off here, but talk to Refuge. She'll fill you in. I'm at my sons and he needs to go. I'll try and be back when I get over here to my son's.

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Now is the only time we have,
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The hands may then be still.

Refuge51

I just emailed you G-mom.

For those who don't know..g-mom is keeping a low profile..it seems she has a stalker in her apt building.

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