Why Does Gasoline Cost $4.00 Per Gallon??? - Page 13

Dianekkdi · 06-19-2008, 08:20 PM

I heard the most tortured logic today: The price of oil is the environmentalists' fault.

Yepper, if not for environmentalists we would have already turned the Artic Tundra into mush, and the Gulf of Mexico into oil housing projects. We would have all the oil beyond the dreams of Nazareth and we would have never had to go to war with Iraq.

And not only that, if you are not willing to drill in the Gulf or Alaska then you should go to Iraq.

You heard it you green conscious monster! You are why we are at war in Iraq. You are why gasoline is $4.00/ gallon. Stop recycling now and gas will go down. Repent! Shit on your lawn (at night); shit on your neighbor's lawn, ...fuck it -- he hates you anyway and the rest of the world hates us because of you.

Yes, the oil prices and the oil wars are envrionmentalists' fault. Fear not -- soon global climate change will be your fault too!

The logic of these people holds me entranced in total awe.

slowhand · 06-19-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wayers57

my age

Is that in dog years?

OldManOnFire · 06-20-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

In light of the "Enron Loophole" that has allowed unregulated speculation in the energy sector, I think I have been vindicated. My response was the correct one.

if it weren't for that gas would be around $2.20 a gal.

Legislation has already been passed to address the Enron loophole. But there remains trading in world markets outside of the US that the US does not have oversight.

And at best it is speculated that removing the Enron loophole only reduces oil by $20-$25/barrel. This equates to $.50/gallon reduction from the current $4+gallon prices. Plus, it has already been stated as fact that any reduction in federal taxes or this Enron reduction, etc. will not reduce at 1:1--the retailers will keep a portion of any reduction so maybe the retail customer might see 50 cents on the dollar? Now you're talking about a 25 cent/gallon reduction.

Every little bit helps, including removing the federal tax during the peak driving season, but they are not solutions that will correct the higher-price trends...

K2Flex · 06-20-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

This was post #2 in this thread.

In light of the "Enron Loophole" that has allowed unregulated speculation in the energy sector, I think I have been vindicated. My response was the correct one.

if it weren't for that gas would be around $2.20 a gal.

Exactly. If speculation was taken out of the equasion of oil pricing, there would be no complaints from anyone.

On a side note, there is now a Congressional panel investigating possible speculation fraud.

OldManOnFire · 06-20-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by xav8terx

I can fathom them if my son's future is on the line. I dont give a rats ass where the money is coming from...how about the tax we are paying on it for starters. It sure as shit isnt helping the roads around here.

Two reasons for this; first, tax dollars are not spent well...very poor efficiency in the process...crappy contractors...and no oversight. Second, the tax dollars are not enough to do the job that is needed.

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There are rest stops on every major US highway...is it to much to put some recharge ports (not exactly sure what they are called) in some of them?

No it's not too much to ask but it's only a small part of the infrastructure issue. Whatever alternative fuels that come into the mainstream will need to be available in all areas of the USA.

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So should we just throw our hands up and give in? No one ever said moving from our dependence on fossil fuels was going to be easy or happen overnight. It takes work and dedication, but it can be done.

Who is advocating throwing up our hands and giving up???

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Every thing you have listed is just excuses plain and simple. We have enough of that from this failed administration, lets try some answers for a change.

They're not excuses...they're facts. And these facts and others must be overcome by the US government and it's citizens before ANYTHING can be done. Honda can make hydrogen vehicles all damned day long but if hydrogen is not available in 99% of the USA then what's the point?

It's not about a failed administration...it's about the citizenry of the USA not demanding this issue to be a priority. And fine to complain today when gas prices are getting higher, but unfortunately there are no quick fixes so people are on their own 'today'. Now full knowing the gas and oil issue, how many people are demanding something be done about the future--very few. I'll ride my bicycle but cities need to give me a bike path to assure some safety. I'll drive my electric vehicle but I'm not going to mix with those traveling 75mph. I'll gladly take mass-transit if it's ever available. I'll buy a 50mpg car but not for $25-$30K--how about $10-$15K?

And you don't care where the money comes from but I do. Higher taxes on everyone? More debt for our kids and grand kids? Privatization?

Like most other critical issues in the US today...this one is immensely complex, needs a complete overhaul, will cost billion$ or trillion$, and will take decades to implement. And to utilize these changes provided within a new infrastructure, citizens will be asked to alter their lives as well...and this is where the rub begins...

OldManOnFire · 06-20-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dianekkdi

I heard the most tortured logic today: The price of oil is the environmentalists' fault.

Yepper, if not for environmentalists we would have already turned the Artic Tundra into mush, and the Gulf of Mexico into oil housing projects. We would have all the oil beyond the dreams of Nazareth and we would have never had to go to war with Iraq.

And not only that, if you are not willing to drill in the Gulf or Alaska then you should go to Iraq.

You heard it you green conscious monster! You are why we are at war in Iraq. You are why gasoline is $4.00/ gallon. Stop recycling now and gas will go down. Repent! Shit on your lawn (at night); shit on your neighbor's lawn, ...fuck it -- he hates you anyway and the rest of the world hates us because of you.

Yes, the oil prices and the oil wars are envrionmentalists' fault. Fear not -- soon global climate change will be your fault too!

The logic of these people holds me entranced in total awe.

Well not to defend anyone, but this logic does make sense. If we had more supply prices would be lower--right? If someone wishes to blame environmentalists for stopping exploration and drilling, then their logic is correct--right?

As long as the US refuses to add to the supply side, and if US consumption is not reduced, or continues to increase, this means more imported oil and very high costs.

If there are no quick fixes to higher gas prices, meaning in the next 5-10 years, and during this time the affect on the US economy is disastrous, and if alternative energies are not prolific by then, then don't be surprised if your government mandates the use of sacred lands and off-shore areas to drill for oil. This will be done in the interest of national security and survival.

Look...we can't even produce a 50mpg car that is affordable to average Americans. If we can't do this, or are unwilling to do this very simple challenge, then how and when do you believe we will EVER convert the US military away from oil, or tens of thousands of passenger and cargo planes, or millions of 18-wheelers, or all the trains, or the boats and ships, or millions of buses, and millions of construction equipment????? My guess is if we are willing this might be done in about 25 to 100 years!!

Meanwhile if there is not more supply, or a huge increase in alternative energy vehicles, then be prepared for gasoline to reach any price--$10/gallon or more.

Kanadesaga · 06-20-2008, 12:20 PM

For the last goddamn time. It is the fault of Washington assholes like Phil Gramm as to why gasoline is over $4/gal!

It's not because of Chinese demand. It's not because of dwindling supplies.

IT IS BECAUSE OF DEREGULATION OF THE INVESTMENT SYSTEM. NO OTHER REASON!!!!!

infoseek · 06-20-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

For the last goddamn time. It is the fault of Washington assholes like Phil Gramm as to why gasoline is over $4/gal!

It's not because of Chinese demand. It's not because of dwindling supplies.

IT IS BECAUSE OF DEREGULATION OF THE INVESTMENT SYSTEM. NO OTHER REASON!!!!!

Saudis themselves said declining dollar helped push the oil to record prices.

infoseek · 06-20-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManOnFire

Maybe I'm a simpleton, but frankly I don't give a rip about other currencies and I don't care who is getting rich. Both are out of my control so why worry about them? I spend my time dealing with things in my life that I can control.

There are no evil empires or corporations pulling the strings; it's simply supply and demand, during the highest use time in the US, and those in the oil business just happen to be in the right place at the right time. The fact that they are realizing staggering profits is what the late-great American dream was all about--success!!

While most Americans are neck-deep in debt, living 125% beyond their means, everyone wants to find someone else to blame for the price of gas. How many people own more than one car? How many cars are 35mpg or more? How many people commute one hour morning and night for work?

I don't like the higher price of fuels but I'll adjust my life as necessary. I'm not going to ruin my idle time with over-blown emotions and jealousy about oil company profits or the value of the US dollar, or commodity trading, etc. If something illegal is going on anywhere in the consumer process, then I expect my government to resolve it...

Yeah Yeah Yeah,

The Saudis themselves declared current oil prices do not reflect the normal supply and demand anymore.

Your government is part of this process.

Unfortunately, dollar declines do effect your and my way of life, as well as our savings, purchase power through inflation, etc.

Kanadesaga · 06-20-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManOnFire

Legislation has already been passed to address the Enron loophole. But there remains trading in world markets outside of the US that the US does not have oversight.

And at best it is speculated that removing the Enron loophole only reduces oil by $20-$25/barrel. This equates to $.50/gallon reduction from the current $4+gallon prices. Plus, it has already been stated as fact that any reduction in federal taxes or this Enron reduction, etc. will not reduce at 1:1--the retailers will keep a portion of any reduction so maybe the retail customer might see 50 cents on the dollar? Now you're talking about a 25 cent/gallon reduction.

Every little bit helps, including removing the federal tax during the peak driving season, but they are not solutions that will correct the higher-price trends...

the government created the problem.. Just like bush/cheny will walk because of ther complicity of the dems on illegal wiretapping and torture. fucking assholes. They all should be hung!!!

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