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Old 07-21-2008, 10:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Well, I've read the POVs from dissenters from the Meterological Assc., Weather Channel, etc. Even if ironclad evidence arose tomorrow, it would take more than the US doing something to have any effect at all, and you know that (3rd world country compliance) ain't gonna happen.

We haven't had a hurricane warning down here in 3 years. So, I'm not losing any sleep over it.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:48 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Well, I've read the POVs from dissenters from the Meterological Assc.,
Which Meterological Assc. would this be? Please give us a link.

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Weather Channel,
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etc. Even if ironclad evidence arose tomorrow, it would take more than the US doing something to have any effect at all, and you know that (3rd world country compliance) ain't gonna happen.
The US has contributed more to the problem than any other country in the world. The US has the resources to lead on the issue and can in conjunction with the rest of the Western world bring third world countries into the solution. It is time to take responsibility and show leadership.

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We haven't had a hurricane warning down here in 3 years. So, I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Wow, I guess that's the only problem people are going to face from climate change, whether or not Mint Julep gets hit by a hurricane.

It's called personal responsibility. Some conservatives claim to be for it.
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Old 07-21-2008, 02:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Is it? I didn't realize that. I'm not familiar with the organization or the author so I defer to your knowledge on this subject. I just saw it and thought it was interesting, as I've often heard there is no consensus that climate change is man-made.
But there is a clear consensus among scientists in general and meteorologists specifically that the global warming we are witnessing is man-made. This is a fact.
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Well, I've read the POVs from dissenters from the Meterological Assc., Weather Channel, etc. Even if ironclad evidence arose tomorrow, it would take more than the US doing something to have any effect at all, and you know that (3rd world country compliance) ain't gonna happen.

We haven't had a hurricane warning down here in 3 years. So, I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Great attitude! Toss up your arms and claim we can't do anything anyway...might as well keep pouring out the pollutants !!

Hope you don't get cancer and go to a doc that has this same attitude towards treatment!
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Which Meterological Assc. would this be? Please give us a link.
Wanna bet it's somewhere in Oregon?
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Instead of all the he-said...she-said nonsense, how about some free and open thinking?

How stupid of people to pick sides with groups only for the reason to falsely find validation in your personal bias??

Does it really matter if there is such a thing as global climate changes?

Do you and others need a global climate change GUN held to your head in order to take steps in your life to be more sustainable?

Are people so stupid to not understand oil is a FINITE resource, that with increasing world demands, and static supplies, that the prices will continue to climb? And if you can't begin to think about this in your little greedy world, try to imagine the world of your kids and grand-kids with $10/gallon gasoline...or no fossil fuels.

Are people so stupid that they can't look at Lake Mead and Lake Powell and see how low the lakes are, to understand what this might possibly mean; no water and electricity to 35 million people?

Are people so stupid that when they see those huge chunks of ice breaking off land masses and falling into the oceans that they cannot possibly fathom ocean levels rising?

Are people so stupid they don't understand we screw like rabbits and the population growth is out of control?

Just look at every indicator and try to imagine how are we going to deal with these issues?

Why not be proactive on critical issues, do what we can afford to do in a time frame that suits us, and maintain focus on this project until we have eliminated most critical risks that are surely lurking around the corner?

The choice is to do nothing! Wait until our asses are on fire then blame everyone else then complain that your government is not solving your problems...and by the way don't raise my taxes!

The debate should not be about the global climate change GUN that needs to be held to your heads...
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:21 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Instead of all the he-said...she-said nonsense, how about some free and open thinking?

How stupid of people to pick sides with groups only for the reason to falsely find validation in your personal bias??

Does it really matter if there is such a thing as global climate changes?

Do you and others need a global climate change GUN held to your head in order to take steps in your life to be more sustainable?

Are people so stupid to not understand oil is a FINITE resource, that with increasing world demands, and static supplies, that the prices will continue to climb? And if you can't begin to think about this in your little greedy world, try to imagine the world of your kids and grand-kids with $10/gallon gasoline...or no fossil fuels.

Are people so stupid that they can't look at Lake Mead and Lake Powell and see how low the lakes are, to understand what this might possibly mean; no water and electricity to 35 million people?

Are people so stupid that when they see those huge chunks of ice breaking off land masses and falling into the oceans that they cannot possibly fathom ocean levels rising?

Are people so stupid they don't understand we screw like rabbits and the population growth is out of control?

Just look at every indicator and try to imagine how are we going to deal with these issues?

Why not be proactive on critical issues, do what we can afford to do in a time frame that suits us, and maintain focus on this project until we have eliminated most critical risks that are surely lurking around the corner?

The choice is to do nothing! Wait until our asses are on fire then blame everyone else then complain that your government is not solving your problems...and by the way don't raise my taxes!

The debate should not be about the global climate change GUN that needs to be held to your heads...
While all this is true to be sure, the inescapable fact is we do have the gun to our heads. These measures needed to be done years ago to have side-tracked these examples before they reached the point they have. Time is now crucial, and the only way to change people enmasse is thru a concentrated government(s) action(s).

People who use their common sense and have done the research are way out-numbered by those who wait to be told. However, those waiting to be told are being told conflicting stories generated by those individuals and entitities who profit from things remaining as close to business-as-usual as possible. While careful considerations and scienctific examinations are taking place, PR and $ are rushing the 'feel-good make-profit' POV as pseudo science and pre-muddying the waters.

Underfunded scientists and honest politicians can't make as much noise as well-funded 5th avenue PR.
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