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Blog: Science Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate


"Considerable presence" of skeptics

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,"There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."


The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity -- the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause -- has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling. A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.

Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton's paper an "expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and "extensive errors"

In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, "I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC's 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central 'climate sensitivity' question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method."

According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."

Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming. "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth."

DailyTech - Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

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The_Heretic

Funny how they don't say how may dissented from the majority view that global warming it primarily human driven.

You and Insipid are in the same degree of denialists, just in nearly opposite directions.

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MintJulep

Even funnier is this imaginery "consensus" being exposed. LOL

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The_Heretic

Earth: Love it or leave it.


Bitch.

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Insipid

That's actually a pretty dishonest article. It's done by a member of the ADP, it's NOT a position paper of the ADP. It's the equivalent of Michael Moore, who was a member of the NRA at the time of the filming of Bowling for Columbine, proclaiming that it's an NRA position paper. The ADP itself has put out a notification that his paper in now way reflects the official position of the ADP which STILL claims categorically that global warming is man-made.

MintJulep

Is it? I didn't realize that. I'm not familiar with the organization or the author so I defer to your knowledge on this subject. I just saw it and thought it was interesting, as I've often heard there is no consensus that climate change is man-made.

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Titanium Cat

DailyTech is a garbage website.

What is the offical postion of the American Physical Society? Why not go to its own website?

APS Physics | APS Home

The author of the OP blog entry, Michael Asher, is just another lying climate change denier as is Lord Monckton who never misses a chance at making a fool of himself.

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MintJulep

Not really. While the consensus seems to be that global warming is occuring, there is no consensus on how much of it is man-made.


National Policy
07.1 CLIMATE CHANGE


(Adopted by Council on November 18, 2007)
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases."

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Titanium Cat

Yes there is such a consensus. The consensus position is that it is likely that most of the warming is man made. This is supported by every major science academy in the world.

You are misprepresenting what the quoted part means. The enhanced effort is to get a more detailed understanding of the various ways human activity is changing the earth's climate.

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