jowey

I hope that when the oil is sucked dry they will have evolved.

Coddled, never said that, said that that society needed time to evolve, baby step sanctions could have facilitated the evolution. We should never have put that base in Saudi after the Gulf War, even if the leaders requested it - that was coddling in my eyes. I was concerned about our support in the Gulf War, but that President Bush took the correct action, got Saddam out of Kuwait at the request of the region and left. Except the base in Saudi.

When I was over there it was understood that we were guests and should adhere to their customs, we had a military presence but they were discrete - that base should never have been built in Saudi, I would have built a base on the Iraq - Kuwait border. Probably taken a piece of Iraq for it - the price dip shit Saddam would pay for his little war.

I really do not know how the dice are going to fall now, tremendous recruiting power has been given to our enemies. Our actions have motivated these fundamentalists. Now we have an upset disenfranchised people with nothing to lose and they are willing to blow themselves up to get those who they consider their enemy. One who is willing to die for a cause is next to impossible to stop.

This reminds me of my story of when I opened up a yellow jackets nest as a kid, I got stung a lot for some reason those bugs were real mad at me and they were willing to die for that hole in the ground - I ran. Course I came back, poured gasoline down that hole and lit it, didnt have any problems with that nest again. Two lessons, first I was stupid for messing with that nest (it was out in a field next to the woods) it had no impact on us and I got burned for it. Second I was willing to destroy them, the nest did not come back, the fire destroyed the surrounding area - probably killed a lot of little collateral critters.

Shit happens.

Now we should have gone a little insane in the capture of Osama Bin Ladin, few eggs cracked and some pain generated. That jerk would have been caught, his head on a pike. It would be demonstrated that no one touches this country, that the legitimate repercussions are a price that no one would want to pay. The focus would be 100% on that individual / group, after proving that point I would then ask if there were any more who wanted to play while we were on a killing spree. Then I would leave, let them, whoever protected the jerk, clean up the consequences.

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Heretic

Why would they? No one's given them incentive to. That's part of the problem.

But in failing to put in a little nudge here'n'there is effectively coddling their oppressive rule.

Actually he left permanent bases in Kuwait as well to protect his stocks in Kuwaiti Oil.

They're defending their genetic future [offspring]. The terrorists are defending what they take to be their cultural future. But as with killer bees they don't know when to shut off the aggressive behavior.

The smarter play would be to catch him in the manner Kaleid Sheik Mohammed was caught. No innocents died and he himself was taken alive. Then we put Osama on trial at the Hague. This was he is denied "martyrdom" [no capital punishment] and we show how much more civilized we are than al-Qaeda.

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jowey

In 84' the King was trying to build the infrastructure, to get his people out of the tents. He also had educational programs, think I remember one Saudi mentioning that all Saudi's get $100K for education or family. He may have been talking only of his class....


I kind of figured, but was not sure - in other words we did have a "presence" in that region.

Bees "shut off" when the threat is gone.

Either way this was not done, he now has proven the effectiveness of his strategy. Doing what I proposed would not work now because of our loss of credibility.

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Heretic

Yuo're thinking of the previous king, not this one whose running things in his name.

Kiler bees don't. They've been known to follow people or animals for a mile after driving them from the hive and even cling to their bodies when the animal submerges in water, all the while still stinging. Al-Qaeda is like that.

The main reason the "cracking of a few eggs" doesn't work is because it only makes more recruits for terrorism and angers the geneal public in the region even if they don't become radicalized. "Colateral damage" is why terrorism is worse now than ever before. You need a scapel not a sledgehammer.

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MarkMiller

Well guys get a good look at all these wondrous architectural designs....because you'll never enjoy them. Dubai is a millionair playground.

Also take a good look at the closer pictures of Palm Island without the colorization. That green color is algae growing becuase of the lack of oxygen in the water from the bad design that doesn't allow water to flow though properly. It's already so bad that you can't go in the water in those inner areas. Really disgusting.

jowey

Think the university is a good thing - providing it follows the claims of a an academic environment.....


I was playing with yellow jackets in my example. Then again who is the dummy, those factions have been feuding for thousands of years. We should have just let them kill each other. If they were smart they would band together and take us for every penny.


I agree we are observing the results of crushing the carton of eggs. Now immediately after 911 if we had focused our resources on those who used the planes, the world would have been behind us, a few eggs would get broken but that would have reinforced that it is not a good idea to "wake the sleeping giant".

Now because of the Moron's In Charge our image is that of a buffoon, bullying whoever we feel like because we can. Europe is united, Russia is concerned and China is talking strategy against us, including economic dependence. We have become a rogue nation.

We have the Republicans talking that they want to continue the Bush agenda - connect the dots.......

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jowey

Dont know whether to be happy or sad.

Happy that those companies are taking the Arab money and giving them an algae pool.

Sad that those companies professionalism in producing a product that will not live up to expectations, focusing on the architectural and engineering feats but ignoring the environment.

Of course it represents ex-pat business policies over there in the Middle East. Housing projects and high rises without plumbing, elevators or air circulation. A culture that preferred to live in tents outside of the buildings because the tents were more comfortable. I am sure that such predatory businesses practices reinforced the selling of capitalism and democracy.

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jowey

Saudi Arabia's first music video urges youths to become devout - Hey they made a music video.....

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