Independence for Kosovo? - Page 2

BillCosby · 02-19-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hotair

Note: While a member of the British Common Wealth, India was originally made up of the modern countries of India(1), Pakistan(2), Nepal(3), Bangladesh(4), and Sri Lanka(5). Now I count five countries there.

At one time Pakistan was called West Pakistan. While Nepal, and Bangladesh were known as East Pakistan. Though that did not last very long, and finding a map with those names is very hard to find.

~shrug~ that is how it was defined by the british occupier......... SO what....... They were never united @ any time except in the minds of the british. For the british interests......

Malkavian · 02-19-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hotair

It was not really a question of conquest. Both Chechnya, and Georgia originally asked Russia for their protection from the Ottoman Empire. In both cases the price of protection was occupation.

It was all part of the game of Empire. Nations competing for resources, and trade.

In the Caucasus is was a three way affair between The British Empire (in India), The Russian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire. Smaller countries either found a friend, or they get eaten up by one of the big players.

Even if Russia does not officially recognize these movements, the threat still exists. Since they are just going to give away countries, why should it stop with Kosovo?

This is were it started in the first place. The Albanians decided that since everyone else (of the former Yugoslavia) was getting their own country, they felt that they should get one too.

Georgia did, but not Chechnya. Chechens would never submit to anybody... Neither Russia nor Ottomans. I would respect that, if it wasn't for their tradition of raiding the lowlanders. The conquest of Caucasus was necessitated by Highlander raids on the Russian convoys that were supporting the Army engagement with the Turks.

If Chechens wanted to be left alone, they should have stayed in their villages. As it is, it's silly to expect a large, professional military to put up with hostile operations against their supply lines in the middle of large scale conflict. Chechens got crushed.

I agree with the rest.

ianmine · 02-20-2008, 06:22 AM

But by sidestepping the U.N. and appealing directly to the U.S. and other nations for recognition, Kosovo set up a showdown with Serbia — outraged at the imminent loss of its territory — and Russia, which warned that it would set a dangerous precedent for separatist groups worldwide.

you can be sure the Canadian government is watching this closely due to the separatist movement in Quebec.

hotair · 02-21-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmine

But by sidestepping the U.N. and appealing directly to the U.S. and other nations for recognition, Kosovo set up a showdown with Serbia — outraged at the imminent loss of its territory — and Russia, which warned that it would set a dangerous precedent for separatist groups worldwide.

you can be sure the Canadian government is watching this closely due to the separatist movement in Quebec.

My first question is: Did they (the Albanians) directly appeal to the US? Or . . . Is this another one of Bush’s bad ideas? By bypassing the UN, the Bush administration (Cheney) has taken yet another slice out of the UN’s carcass. I agree that the UN is self-destructing, but I am not sure that the US would be an able replacement!!!

It is not just Canada that is watching! Russia, China, Spain, Chad, Sudan, Somalia, and the Philippines are going to be the most affected by this. Turkey, Iraq, Canada, Sri Lanka, Malaysia all have their own special problems with separatists groups, though they may not be quite as bad as some of the others. In the end, just about everyone has issues, and those that do not yet have problems, will very soon (including the US)!

hotair · 02-21-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Malkavian

Georgia did, but not Chechnya. Chechens would never submit to anybody... Neither Russia nor Ottomans. I would respect that, if it wasn't for their tradition of raiding the lowlanders. The conquest of Caucasus was necessitated by Highlander raids on the Russian convoys that were supporting the Army engagement with the Turks.

If Chechens wanted to be left alone, they should have stayed in their villages. As it is, it's silly to expect a large, professional military to put up with hostile operations against their supply lines in the middle of large scale conflict. Chechens got crushed.

I agree with the rest.

I can live with that.

hotair · 02-22-2008, 11:35 PM

It is not that I do not understand the logic of making Kosovo independent. It is just that I believe that this strategy has the potential for causing more problems than doing any real good.

NATO, and the UN want out, but they know that the killings will most likely start all over again if they leave. Which would require them to return again.

If Kosovo remains part of Serbia, then the only way that the UN could get involved again, would be if the Serbian government invited them back in. Which is not very likely to happen.

Or . . . NATO re-invades like last time, and then they (again) request UN supervision to administrate the region again. The problem of another NATO invasion is that there can be no guarantee of any future American president being willing to go through all of that again.

By making Kosovo an independent country, then the Kosovo government could go directly to the UN for assistance. Thus bypassing NATO, the US, and the EU. Leaving any, and all future problems entirely in the hands of the UN.

BillCosby · 02-23-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hotair

It is not that I do not understand the logic of making Kosovo independent. It is just that I believe that this strategy has the potential for causing more problems than doing any real good.

NATO, and the UN want out, but they know that the killings will most likely start all over again if they leave. Which would require them to return again.

If Kosovo remains part of Serbia, then the only way that the UN could get involved again, would be if the Serbian government invited them back in. Which is not very likely to happen.

Or . . . NATO re-invades like last time, and then they (again) request UN supervision to administrate the region again. The problem of another NATO invasion is that there can be no guarantee of any future American president being willing to go through all of that again.

By making Kosovo an independent country, then the Kosovo government could go directly to the UN for assistance. Thus bypassing NATO, the US, and the EU. Leaving any, and all future problems entirely in the hands of the UN.

What then was the purpose of all of this???

Why did the usa/un/nato get involved in the first place........???

BleedingPinky · 02-24-2008, 01:50 PM

Europe is a joke, I tell you. You just have to move a couple hundred of miles within whatever country and voilà! another language, (ok, no problem with that, after all, European minority languages, these are all you need), another will for making a hundred square miles of land an independent country. At least there´s a McDonalds everywhere you go.
I don´t know, I just don´t understand it. There are so many advantages to economy if you hold a stable system, yet people here just don´t give a damn about it. Hey! I´m free! Look, I just got my new ID card with qwwerwerlovenia´s flag on it! Great. And now what?

PursuitOfHappinessParty · 02-24-2008, 02:37 PM

Makes me think that the isolationists of pre-WWII were correct.

BillCosby · 02-25-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PursuitOfHappinessParty

Makes me think that the isolationists of pre-WWII were correct.

Me to..................

But then we might have to pay more for gas & those shirts @ walmart that are made in america that we get from China.........

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