Russians Vote for New President - Page 3

Jonesy · 03-02-2008, 05:59 PM

Can democracy perform correctly without an appropriate Constitution?

Environment Man · 03-02-2008, 06:04 PM

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Can democracy perform correctly without an appropriate Constitution?

The Chinese are proving that capitalism can flourish just fine under a communist government so democracy aint no magic pill. Democracy without capitalism is socialism or communism anyway.

Malkavian · 03-02-2008, 06:27 PM

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I thought Sakhalin was finished. Chavez offered a buyout too. But I think the buyouts are just propaganda.

Well, as of year ago, work was still continuing, apparently.

Maybe they finished by now... dunno.

Environment Man · 03-02-2008, 07:05 PM

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Well, as of year ago, work was still continuing, apparently.

Maybe they finished by now... dunno.

I covered this myself back when. Here is what I wrote from a New York Times article:

Russia wants to renegotiate a deal with Royal Dutch Shell on a multibillion dollar liquefied natural gas project on Sakhalin Island off the coast of Siberia in Russia. In the current deal, Shell can avoid Russian taxes, but Russia is using environmental regulations as a tool to close production if the contract is not renegotiated. Russia is saying Shell polluted the site. Royal Dutch Shell does not have to pay the government until after recouping the investment costs, so Russia currently receives a small royalty. In a controversial move Shell upped the cost estimate for the facility this year to the $20 billion figure, delaying profits for Russia by years. Thus the environmetnal shutdown threat.

Sakhalin Island is the world's largest LNG plant, providing a projected 7% of world supply of LNG. Gazprom, the natural gas operator, is now the second largest energy company in the world behind ExxonMobil. BP and Shell are three and four in terms of size. Gazprom is the monopoly supplier of Russian gas to Europe.

Malkavian · 03-02-2008, 07:14 PM

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I covered this myself back when. Here is what I wrote from a New York Times article:

Russia wants to renegotiate a deal with Royal Dutch Shell on a multibillion dollar liquefied natural gas project on Sakhalin Island off the coast of Siberia in Russia. In the current deal, Shell can avoid Russian taxes, but Russia is using environmental regulations as a tool to close production if the contract is not renegotiated. Russia is saying Shell polluted the site. Royal Dutch Shell does not have to pay the government until after recouping the investment costs, so Russia currently receives a small royalty. In a controversial move Shell upped the cost estimate for the facility this year to the $20 billion figure, delaying profits for Russia by years. Thus the environmetnal shutdown threat.

Sakhalin Island is the world's largest LNG plant, providing a projected 7% of world supply of LNG. Gazprom, the natural gas operator, is now the second largest energy company in the world behind ExxonMobil. BP and Shell are three and four in terms of size. Gazprom is the monopoly supplier of Russian gas to Europe.

So when they bumped it to $20B, was the construction finished by then? Retroactive bump? Or did they say 'we need $20B now to finish'?

Environment Man · 03-02-2008, 07:26 PM

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So when they bumped it to $20B, was the construction finished by then? Retroactive bump? Or did they say 'we need $20B now to finish'?

Yes. The site was moving gas. It was to help recoup their investment.

Malkavian · 03-02-2008, 07:46 PM

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Yes. The site was moving gas. It was to help recoup their investment.

Ah. Sneaky

TrueBlueAmerican · 03-02-2008, 08:28 PM

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You dont think Bush has been a strong leader? The sort that the Russians would like?

No. George Bush is a bumbling bafoon. Putin is a true strongman cut from the cloth of Russias intelligence ministries.

Now Cheney.. He would appeal more to Russians than Bushy.

The_Heretic · 03-02-2008, 09:09 PM

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His article is from Washington Post. Hardy a pro-Russian propaganda site.

They were disqualified because they failed to get enough votes to register... And even if they did, they would still have lost. Face it - Putin is very popular in Russia right now.

To quote Gary Casparov, "How do you know?"

Vladimir "The Impaler" Putin has tight control of what information comes out of Russia, almost as much so as from under the Iron Curtain.

Garry Kasparov · 03-02-2008, 09:24 PM

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To quote Gary Casparov, "How do you know?"

Vladimir "The Impaler" Putin has tight control of what information comes out of Russia, almost as much so as from under the Iron Curtain.

Quote is good but please, two r's and a K.

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