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Old 04-05-2008, 08:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That doesnt make sense. Iran provides moral support to the Palestinian resistance against filthy Israel, and also provides weapons and training to Hizbollah, whos weapons and sometimes personell make their way into Palestine.
You're confusing a Sunni terror group [Hamas] for a Shi'ite terror group [Hezballah] and their semi-support from Iran.

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Im interested in why you say they hate each other and look forward to reading about it when you post the info. But at the end of the day, petty differences aside, they are united against a common enemy. When both groups are holed up in a bombed out apartment complex with 2 rebels and a multiband radio, I think Hamas and Hizbollah can set their differences aside.
It'd help for you to read up a little more on the independent origins of both groups and why Hezballah hates Hamas as much as they hate Israel.
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
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You're confusing a Sunni terror group [Hamas] for a Shi'ite terror group [Hezballah] and their semi-support from Iran.



It'd help for you to read up a little more on the independent origins of both groups and why Hezballah hates Hamas as much as they hate Israel.
I like reading. Please provide some literature.

They may not like each other as you have said, and ill read what you post, but they do have a common enemy and this is critical. Whether you like Hamas or Hizbollah or not, we can work with these groups to take care of actual threats like al Qaeda and smaller splinter cells.

Hamas and Hizbollah want to establish governments, and within a governmental infrastructure you cant have terrorists running around the country causing trouble. Hamas and Hizbollah's respective governments will go after radical elements within their territories and will estalish order.

Like Putin said, "you cant fight terrorists with slingshots." Hamas and Hizbollah need to be allowed to establish legitimate governments, establish territorial sovreignty, and then begin the proces of official arms transfers from countries like Russia and China instead of all these backroom third party transfers.

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That doesnt make sense. Iran provides moral support to the Palestinian resistance against filthy Israel, and also provides weapons and training to Hizbollah, whos weapons and sometimes personell make their way into Palestine.
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You're confusing a Sunni terror group [Hamas] for a Shi'ite terror group [Hezballah] and their semi-support from Iran.
No. The point I was making is that they share their resources to fight a common enemy. Military strategy trumps religious dogma during battle.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:33 AM   #14 (permalink)
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To draw a distinction between legitimate resistance groups and common terrorists.

To hell with Bush. This is in THEIR best interests.

I couldnt think of a better photo op than to have leaders from Hamas, Hezbollah, the PFLP, and the Iranian government giving a speech together as a dead Osama Bin Laden dangles from a rope above.

& what exactly is your criteria????? Murdering ppl for the USA makes them the good guys???


My criteria is a little easier.. No mental gymnastics necessary......

You invading Panama, invading Haiti, invading Kuwait.............????

IMO it is also about the acts not just the perpetrator.........

They were freedumb fighters when they fought the Russians & terrorist & all the rest of those "negative terms" when they fight the usa.........?????
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& what exactly is your criteria????? Murdering ppl for the USA makes them the good guys???


My criteria is a little easier.. No mental gymnastics necessary......

You invading Panama, invading Haiti, invading Kuwait.............????

IMO it is also about the acts not just the perpetrator.........

They were freedumb fighters when they fought the Russians & terrorist & all the rest of those "negative terms" when they fight the usa.........?????
My criteria for what?
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Well, do you believe that al Qaeda is the same as Hizbollah or Hamas?

If so, why?

And if not, why?

I see Hamas and Hizobollah as legitimate resistance groups because they are fighting on behalf of their people.

For instance, when the cowardly Lebanese military stood down as Israel raped Lebanon, Hizbollah took a stand for the people and fought back.
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Without Hizbollah and Hamas, who is going to defend their people?

al Qaeda?

Israel?

General Petrayus?
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Without Hizbollah and Hamas, who is going to defend their people?

al Qaeda?

Israel?

General Petrayus?
In practice the Palestinians have yet to be defended by anyone.
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In practice the Palestinians have yet to be defended by anyone.
The resistance groups are not powerful enough to push Israel out of the occupied territories or cause crippling damage to the IDF, but they have done a good job at defending whats left of their homes by killing many invading Israeli soldiers who thumb their noses at Palestinian sovreignty.

If Palestinians werent on the streets everyday putting up a front, all of Palestine would be an Israeli settlment.

Palestinians are better off being ruled by Palestinians than being ruled by a fascist apartheid state. The fighters help the Palestinians by preventing a Palestinian Holacaust. If the Jews want to exterminate the Palestinians, they have to kill all the rebels first!
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