Another Right-Winger says Democrats aren't Patriotic enough.

Curator · 03-11-2008, 10:47 AM

So says NeoCon Bitch-Boy Jonah Goldberg in his article The left's patriotism gap

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'Unity is the great need of the hour. ... Not because it sounds pleasant or because it makes us feel good, but because it's the only way we can overcome the essential deficit that exists in this country. I'm not talking about a budget deficit. ... I'm talking about a moral deficit. I'm talking about an empathy deficit. I'm taking about an inability to recognize ourselves in one another; to understand that we are our brother's keeper; we are our sister's keeper; that, in the words of Dr. King, we are all tied together in a single garment of destiny."

So quoth Barack Obama in Atlanta on Jan. 20, but it might as well have been last week, so central is unity to his presidential campaign.
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What is fascinating here is not the sentiment, but what's missing from it. The P-word.

To invoke patriotism seriously is to brand yourself either an old fogy or a right-wing bully. If Obama spoke about patriotism with the sort of passion he expends on unity, many would take him for some sort of demagogue.

Let me get this straight. I’m not sufficiently patriotic enough or I don't love my country because I don't say the P-word?

I guess I just don't meet the right’s standards.

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In America, patriotism -- as opposed to, say, nationalism -- is a love for a creed, a dedication to what is best about the "American way." Nationalism, a romantic sensibility, says "my country is always right." Patriots hope that their nation will make the right choice.

Right-wing assholes like Jonah are the least patriotic people around. Sure they talk up their own patriotism all the time, just like they talk up their own religiosity all the time, but when it comes down to it, they put party before everything else including country and are adamantly opposed to paying any share of the taxes necessary to make this country great. If you aren’t willing to support the collective enterprise known as American government then you aren’t really patriotic.

Period.

Your Chinese made flag lapel does not make you a patriot, asshole.

Never has, never will.

Kanadesaga · 03-11-2008, 11:10 AM

Fuck that cockbite! He's a dumpy plagiarist. Just the speed of other cockbites I can think of.

guest1234567 · 03-11-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Curator

So says NeoCon Bitch-Boy Jonah Goldberg in his article The left's patriotism gap

Let me get this straight. I’m not sufficiently patriotic enough or I don't love my country because I don't say the P-word?

I guess I just don't meet the right’s standards.

I don't think that's what he said. When he says
To invoke patriotism seriously is to brand yourself either an old fogy or a right-wing bully. If Obama spoke about patriotism with the sort of passion he expends on unity, many would take him for some sort of demagogue.

What he actually said was, if Obama used the word 'patriotism' he would be accused of pandering to the right, and might lose a portion of his support by simply using the word. So, instead, Obama uses the word unity.

So this guy used the word 'patriotism' and you did indeed attack him for it, even though he was using it in an explanatory way, and not in an emotional way.

He might have a point.

ibex · 03-11-2008, 11:45 AM

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Let's see if some righttards will show up here and attribute that quote to some 20th century Commie.

Curator · 03-11-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by guest1234567

I don't think that's what he said. When he says
To invoke patriotism seriously is to brand yourself either an old fogy or a right-wing bully. If Obama spoke about patriotism with the sort of passion he expends on unity, many would take him for some sort of demagogue.

What he actually said was, if Obama used the word 'patriotism' he would be accused of pandering to the right, and might lose a portion of his support by simply using the word. So, instead, Obama uses the word unity.

So this guy used the word 'patriotism' and you did indeed attack him for it, even though he was using it in an explanatory way, and not in an emotional way.

He might have a point.

I think I can safely say Goldberg bastardizes patriotism into meaning pro-war, pro-government, pro-"American", and are the very people who claim the mantle of patriotism while screwing over the soldiers who risked their lives for the wargames waged by neo-conservative warriors who love war but would do anything to keep their own children from fighting it.

guest1234567 · 03-11-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Curator

I think I can safely say Goldberg bastardizes patriotism into meaning pro-war, pro-government, pro-"American", and are the very people who claim the mantle of patriotism while screwing over the soldiers who risked their lives for the wargames waged by neo-conservative warriors who love war but would do anything to keep their own children from fighting it.

But just from the snippet you provided, he actually explains that the people you describe are Nationlists, and not Patriots at all. Patriots have ideals, and Nationalists are blind psycopaths.

I'm just saying, this particular piece demonstrated the power of the word, and its polarizing effect depending on who uses the word. He only pointed out that in his opinion, Obama purposely did not use the word solely because he may have been castigated from his own would-be supporters.

Afterall, if you want to be elected, don't say things or words that may have an emotionally negative effect on the people you need votes from.

Jonesy · 03-11-2008, 01:12 PM

Most Americans who talk about patriotism invoke the word only for propaganda reasons... just like nazi's did. The only people who fall for it are the ignorant who don't even know what it truly means to be American.

guest1234567 · 03-11-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

Most Americans who talk about patriotism invoke the word only for propaganda reasons... just like nazi's did. The only people who fall for it are the ignorant who don't even know what it truly means to be American.

Yep! And that includes most Americans from both sides of the political spectrum.

From the right "Goddamn Commie, I'm a patriotic Amerrrican!" = How Dare you (Mister Obama), How Dare you!! --wait, didn't Hillary say that too

From the left "STFU MF, I'm just as patriotic as you." = I don't want to hear from you and you're not worth explaining things to, so I'll just sit there and let you call me names and then complain that he's rallying the ignorant righties."

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ibex Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,774 My Mood: Thanks: 147 Thanked 156 Times in 102 Posts	"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Let's see if some righttards will show up here and attribute that quote to some 20th century Commie.
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