MarkMiller

Not like there has been any animosity and divisiveness in this primary, or name calling, accusations of racism, dirty tactics and underhanded maneuvering. So if Obama wants to win.......how does he get my vote and the other Clinton supporters?

As it stands right now......many of my friends (as well as me) plan on re-registering as independents now. My best friend said something to me that made me really think. Obama supporters have gone out of their way to humiliate Clinton supporters and push them away. If they think they can win a Presidential election with out us.......maybe we should just let them go without our support. Is there any real reason to throw our support behind a candidate that doesn't speak to us.......or more importantly.....why should we now just forgive and forget and fall in line. If we don't like Obama why should we vote for him in the general election? I have toyed with the idea of voting for McCain....it disgust me too much right now to do it, but what makes people think that Obama can win with just his own supporters. He needs the support of a majority of America to win the general election and I have no reason at this point to do so.

Is there a compelling argument to make all of us back someone just because they are a Democrat when deep in our souls we believe he does not stand for what we believe in and distrust him so much.

Kana

Well, I'm not an Obama supporter, per se, but I am a strident Clinton detractor. But I'll say this: Vote your conscience. Fuck party loyalty. Party loyalty is what got us the likes of George W. Bush. I don't believe you can go wrong with voting on principle. If you agree with McCain's principles more than Obama's, vote McCain.

That's the beauty of being an independent. You can vote for the better person, rather than having to vote for the person your party tells you to vote for.

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Richterscale

Simple. Vote for who you think would nominate the Supreme Court Justices who whould most fit your views. It's the most important thing a president does, and has the most far-reaching affect on your life. (with the exception of starting illegal wars and bankrupting the nation.)

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Rollerball

You are complaining that his SUPPORTERS aren't being nice to Clinton's supporters? Don't blame Barak because of his supporter's actions and attitudes.

People still talk about nasty words being exchanged between the candidates, it's mostly news people that keep pushing this, but honestly the only one I've seen launching nasty words is the Clinton team, especially her team members, just before they resign from her campaign. The only thing I've ever seen Obama do was defend himself against these attacks, which the media then calls "Taking The Gloves Off"

Curator

Then don't vote for him. Do whatever the fuck you want. Go vote for McSame so we can get on with the crusade against Islam.

Don't come crying to Obama supporters when our military death toll passes 10,000 in the year 2012.

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The_Heretic

I'm not sure who told you that Obama supporters were the problem. Seems to me that Clinton's more ardent supporters were initiaitng fights with those of other candidates not just Obama. JD kept spinning the same lines of bullshit about Biden no matter how many times he was proven wrong and his fraud exposed. He'd spew the same shit about every other candidate with no sense of honesty at all. People like JD convinced me that Hilary has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

But to convine you I'd first have to know what you want from a candidate.

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ibex

I agree. I have stated before that the one glaring fault line between the parties when it comes to Presidential candidates is the Supreme Court. With the justices aging, several new spots on the bench will open up. If you want another Roberts or Alito, go right ahead and vote for John McCain because that's exactly what you'll get. That is why I will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I won't like it because I feel a Clinton presidency in every aspect except Supreme Court nominations will be too much like the Bush administration.

Rollerball

I'm an Obama supporter, but I don't understand how you can hold Hillary responsible for 'people like JD'? I'm sure Obama has a healthy share of nutjobs that decided to support him too.

This may be part of the problem Dr.Z is having. The discussion has moved away from the candidates and on to their supporters, but the candidates are being held responsible.

The_Heretic

If it were just low rung supporters I wouldn't. But the ugly truth is this consistent pattern of issuing JD's style of line attacks all the way from the top down. Every level of Hillary's campaign have engaged in some degree of smear, lie and deceit without exception. Hillary herself encourages such rapent dishonesty in order to win at all costs, even if that means colaborating with extreme right wing campaign advisors who "specialize" in smear'n'fear.

A tiny handful, and none of them take marching orders.

Yeah, this is where Hillary at her upper tier supporters deliberately took the campaign, knowing full well they couldn't win any other way.

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neptune

Brilliant answer!

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