What has Pastor Jeremiah Wright said that offened you? Why? - Page 2

Curator · 03-20-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

Too many 'Americans' are like Nazi's. If you don't say Germany is perfect in every way, they send you to the concentration camps (even if you're not a Jew).

You know Jonesy sometimes your words are thoughtful, concise and powerful, and other time I wonder if you are off your meds.

OldManOnFire · 03-20-2008, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE=BillCosby;146683] What has Pastor Jeremiah Wright said that offened you? Why?

IMO this minister is entitled to his freedom of speech without fear of reprisal. I don't care what he said and for how many years he spewed his diatribe--this is his choice.

But it is unconscionable and inexcusable that Obama, after hearing the minister's controversial and hateful and divisive remarks the second or third time, that Obama did not immediately distance himself from this. I don't care if Obama is black, white, green or purple, as a candidate for the president of the USA, I demand better judgement.

And IMO, Obama's speech that so many feel is so great, was nothing more than fuel on the fire, creating more divisiveness, by further pointing out things like; father is Kenyan, mother is American, grandmother is white, etc. If Obama believed in creating unity, then he should have spoken about all these people in his life as human beings...period. Forget the color of the skin, or the religion, or the gender, etc...at the beginning and the end of the day we are all human beings.

It's disgusting that we simply cannot figure out how to get along with one another...

BillCosby · 03-20-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Curator

But I don't agree that just because we were in Saudi Arabia at the invitation of the Saudi government

during Desert Shield/Storm that this justifies bin Laden fatwa in 1996. In bin Laden's mind he used this as a reason to declare war with the West. Is the presence of American forces on foreign lands enough of a reason to declare war?

If so I guess we should not send "peacekeepers" to Darfur to stop the genocide. We wouldn't want anybody to declare war on us.

You can't have one standard, because people will twist whatever reason they find to suit their political agenda.

I don't want to get off the topic already....... What you or I think is not the issue...... It is unfortunate that he has declared it but it is not like there are not millions of "them" that agree w/ him.......

Contrary to popular belief the usa does not always get to pick the reasons.......

BillCosby · 03-20-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManOnFire

IMO this minister is entitled to his freedom of speech without fear of reprisal. I don't care what he said and for how many years he spewed his diatribe--this is his choice.

But it is unconscionable and inexcusable that Obama, after hearing the minister's controversial and hateful and divisive remarks the second or third time, that Obama did not immediately distance himself from this. I don't care if Obama is black, white, green or purple, as a candidate for the president of the USA, I demand better judgement.

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What exactly is so hateful & divisive???

Curator · 03-20-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManOnFire

But it is unconscionable and inexcusable that Obama, after hearing the minister's controversial and hateful and divisive remarks the second or third time, that Obama did not immediately distance himself from this. I don't care if Obama is black, white, green or purple, as a candidate for the president of the USA, I demand better judgement.

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"God hates America for the murder of the unborn! We should be destroyed!"

...this coming from Falwell's pulpit.

And when it came to saying God was damning America he and Pat Robertson sided with the 9/11 hijackers by saying the terrorist's actions served America right and were God's punishment.

As Frank Schaeffer puts it:

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Episcopal bishop of New York Paul Moore, Jr. raged against America was "rooting for McCain's torturers" while McCain was a prisoner of war. How can McCain be a member of that denomination and be a real American, let alone commander in chief?

W.M.DEEEZ · 03-20-2008, 05:31 PM

Still not what you're looking for, but consider the irony here...

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Originally Posted by wright

"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he said. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."

At this point, it seems that this man might just be the very reason that yet another black man won't get the consideration in this election.

See, I think the problem is that while Obama is running on a theme of unity, and working together toward a common goal, Wright's words are divisive.

Your point is well taken about specifics. I guess the problem is that Obama's supposed "mentor" is seemingly contradicting Obama's message.

Obama is being asked to clarify his position.

BillCosby · 03-20-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by W.M.DEEEZ

Still not what you're looking for, but consider the irony here...

At this point, it seems that this man might just be the very reason that yet another black man won't get the consideration in this election.

See, I think the problem is that while Obama is running on a theme of unity, and working together toward a common goal, Wright's words are divisive.

Your point is well taken about specifics. I guess the problem is that Obama's supposed "mentor" is seemingly contradicting Obama's message.

Obama is being asked to clarify his position.

yea............. THnX

That is a powerful statement..... One I hope is about to be proven wrong........... That a black man can be elected president of this country.......

I agree w/ a lot of what he says...... I don't agree w/ everything he says......... Or anyone for that matter....... Hell I don't even agree w/ many of the views & understandings I had 6 months or a year ago.....

Hopefully he, like the rest of us can grow & learn..... Admit our mistakes, errors & learn from them.........

Perhaps politically speaking he could have chosen a pastor & friend that would poll better & not say things that piss some ppl off. But then that is what good pastors due IMO......

THis is getting big play & thus far seems to be the only real knock he has had to take..........

I would take this guy over john mcbush's hagee any day..........

SaraW · 03-21-2008, 12:33 AM

The best students are the ones who rise above and beyond their mentors, pastors and teachers.

al Asaad · 03-21-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

???????

Nothing.

al Asaad · 03-21-2008, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by W.M.DEEEZ

(SNIP) I suppose I get the same general feeling from the Revs' aids rant, that I do from those that claim Bushco planned 9/11. I think he's got a screw loose.

The other stuff is part righteous indignation, part ignorance.

What does the Reverend Wright have to do with Obama other than being his Pastor?

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