What has Pastor Jeremiah Wright said that offened you? Why?

BillCosby · 03-20-2008, 11:45 AM

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The life of the nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous.
Frederick Douglass

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W.M.DEEEZ · 03-20-2008, 11:55 AM

Politics is a funny animal...

Sometimes, it isn't the actual text, so much as the "impression" one gets from a situation.

When Kerry was discussing the outsourcing of jobs 4 years ago, I found it interesting that he wouldn't mention the unions that drive many jobs overseas.

Why? Because he needed the union vote. So...he couldn't be truthfull.

It seems anything that is controversial is considered bad politics, far more than the actual reason that a topic is controversial.

I suppose I get the same general feeling from the Revs' aids rant, that I do from those that claim Bushco planned 9/11. I think he's got a screw loose.

The other stuff is part righteous indignation, part ignorance.

Curator · 03-20-2008, 12:03 PM

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"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye....We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

We didn't deserve anything. However I won't deny that our belligerent foreign policy has a direct causal relationship to everything that has happen to us since the Beirut barracks bombing. While our bombs have killed thousands our sanctions have killed millions.

BillCosby · 03-20-2008, 12:15 PM

I am sorry but that really is not very specific......

You have a quote. He said X & that pissed me off........???

ThnX

Curator · 03-20-2008, 12:21 PM

Wright is saying, according to all the pundits, that we deserved 9/11. I don't think we did, but as I said actions we took for the last two decades sure gave millions of people the reason, in their minds, to carry out attacks against us.

Jonesy · 03-20-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Curator

We didn't deserve anything.

According to you, or according to the truth? Many would argue our support of Israel validates 9/11 as something like a retaliation. You attack a country and then you think it is not ok for them to attack you? America is perfect virtue in every way, just like Nazi Germany was?

Curator · 03-20-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

According to you, or according to the truth?

According to every TV pundit attacking Obama saying that his pastor stated we "deserved" 9/11. He never said such a thing, however the OP question was "What has Pastor Wright said that I find offensive". I find the general statement offensive IF I believe he meant we "deserved" 9/11. Wright has not come out and refuted this perversion of his sermon, and so I am left to think that is what he meant.

His other statements I agree with in principal if you can find his message hidden in his rhetoric.

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

You attack a country and then you think it is not ok for them to attack you?

If we attacked another sovereign country without just cause then of course not.

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

America is perfect virtue in every way, just like Nazi Germany was?

Where do you get this crap from?

BillCosby · 03-20-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Curator

Wright is saying, according to all the pundits, that we deserved 9/11. I don't think we did, but as I said actions we took for the last two decades sure gave millions of people the reason, in their minds, to carry out attacks against us.

THnX..... From what I have read I agree w/ his views of the war & the american gov role in the world..........

Deserve......... IMO- I think that is a difficult pill to swallow........ Not that the usa did not make moves that brought this about but do to the attack being against innocent ppl & not the gov or corp interests...

In their minds........ I prefer to have one standard. Not one for us & another for them... (whom ever "them" may be @ the time)......

IMO saying that "in their minds" would seem to add "justification or over look" the appalling actions of this country.........

That we would not always be nice. Good........... or fair is so far beyond the realm of possibilities for many in this country that to fathom some of the things he & many others have said is impossible......

Jonesy · 03-20-2008, 12:45 PM

Too many 'Americans' are like Nazi's. If you don't say Germany is perfect in every way, they send you to the concentration camps (even if you're not a Jew).

Curator · 03-20-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

In their minds........ I prefer to have one standard. Not one for us & another for them... (whom ever "them" may be @ the time)......

IMO saying that "in their minds" would seem to add "justification or over look" the appalling actions of this country.........

But I don't agree that just because we were in Saudi Arabia at the invitation of the Saudi government during Desert Shield/Storm that this justifies bin Laden fatwa in 1996. In bin Laden's mind he used this as a reason to declare war with the West. Is the presence of American forces on foreign lands enough of a reason to declare war?

If so I guess we should not send "peacekeepers" to Darfur to stop the genocide. We wouldn't want anybody to declare war on us.

You can't have one standard, because people will twist whatever reason they find to suit their political agenda.

03-20-2008, 11:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
W.M.DEEEZ I don't exist either Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,645 Thanks: 7 Thanked 57 Times in 40 Posts	Politics is a funny animal... Sometimes, it isn't the actual text, so much as the "impression" one gets from a situation. When Kerry was discussing the outsourcing of jobs 4 years ago, I found it interesting that he wouldn't mention the unions that drive many jobs overseas. Why? Because he needed the union vote. So...he couldn't be truthfull. It seems anything that is controversial is considered bad politics, far more than the actual reason that a topic is controversial. I suppose I get the same general feeling from the Revs' aids rant, that I do from those that claim Bushco planned 9/11. I think he's got a screw loose. The other stuff is part righteous indignation, part ignorance. __________________ Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got til it's gone
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03-20-2008, 12:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
BillCosby The party of the pissed!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,504 My Mood: Thanks: 183 Thanked 119 Times in 92 Posts	I am sorry but that really is not very specific...... You have a quote. He said X & that pissed me off........??? ThnX __________________ Preventive war is not war!!!!Counter-terror is not terror
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03-20-2008, 12:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Curator Setting my hair on fire. Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 637 My Mood: Thanks: 14 Thanked 149 Times in 86 Posts	Wright is saying, according to all the pundits, that we deserved 9/11. I don't think we did, but as I said actions we took for the last two decades sure gave millions of people the reason, in their minds, to carry out attacks against us. __________________ "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars." -Barack Obama, October 2002
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Jonesy Truth Lion Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,554 Thanks: 10 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	Too many 'Americans' are like Nazi's. If you don't say Germany is perfect in every way, they send you to the concentration camps (even if you're not a Jew).
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