Non-racist question - Page 3

Heretic · 03-24-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by al Asaad

BULLSHIT!
Norht American Slavery for Africans was for life: the few exceptions noted.
Worse, as property, an African slave could be killed by his master.
Worse still, an African more often than not, could and many times did lose their families to the slave auction block.

Prisoners, excepting those commited for life without parole, could always hold out the hope they will be released, and in good time to start a new life.
Not so for Africans "imprisioned" as North American chattel.
? ?? ???

You are certifiably insane. Duh.

You don't understand how brutal the chain gangs were, then. Being in prison for life over something that would've other warranted only a couple years is no different than an auction splitting the family up. Also, in the last decades of slavery you couldn't simply kill the slave over certain reasons. These reforms are part of the increasing tension between abolitionists and pro-slave scum.

I reduced the size of the text of your post because it's a bloody nuisance.

bornright · 03-24-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RK77

No---bornright---your reputation preceeds you and you don't get to put aside all your racist rants to get a pablum answer to your question!

It always amazes me how little all americans really know about slavery. Could it be that you have only attempted to learn enough to feed your racist beliefs?

Anyway....

Slavery as an institution was not as the same as it was in the united states. Many books have been written on the topic. You may want to check out Stanley Elkin's "Slavery". He does a great job of comparing slavery in different nations and even draws contrast the tragedy of slavery to the tragedies of the holocaust.

In short---Slavery in africa was not the brutal and murderous and perverse and hate driven institution that it was in the united states. Those who sold people into slavery had no concept of what the plight of those they assisted in capturing were going to suffer.

I don't know where you get mentally retarded ideas like no one alive ever knew anyone who was a slave or a slave owner. I am not that old and I certainly did meet both former slaves and slave owners when I was a small child but old enough to recall some of the stories they told. They were old then but not dead and they had not forgotten. All of them were my family and BOTH my parents are black! I have black and white ancestors who held slaves here in the USA. I am not by any means unique.

So the answer to your first question (and those implied but not asked) is NO. The african american community is NOT impressed by this tidbit that seems to intrique you. We have ALWAYS had mixed blooded members of our community--- and unlike the white community---we have found ways to deal with this without the denigration of other human beings. This is not to say that there are not issues of complexion and heritage in the black community just that it is not dealt with like you do.

It is your well known kkk mentality that somehow allows you to repeatedly pretend that the end to the brutal, murderous, sexually perverse, demonic behavior of your ancestors ended with slavery. How sick (and guilty) do you have to be to forget the years of Jim Crow?

Do you think there is an african american alive NOW who does not understand Driving While Black?
Do you think there is someone who does not understand the racism of the drug sentencing structure that Clinton fought to put in place? Or the dramatic changes that he and Hillary fought for in medicaid while the REAL heroine of the Children's Defense Fund fought them?

You are probably one of those pretending that you have never sat in church and applauded a racist fire and brimstone message from your pastor.

Just as you folks have your code words---so does the african american community. Obama got a much clearer and important message out to the african american community AND the historically aware white communities in his speech. Read the text with someone with an education and maybe you can pick up the references.

Now that I have explained that to you---you tell me this---what white politician has ever been told he should leave his church because the pastor made racist remarks? Seems like the same old Jelly Bean test to me!

Racial resentment will not end until generations after you guys stop with the racist bullshit!

I appreciate you responding to my post. It is unfortunate that you seem to think there is some racist tone to the post but perhaps you can get past that. We really should not spout names back and forth as it really gets us nowhere except built up anger toward each other which accomplishes nothing.

I thought that the name Black American is a black that was born to American parents and a African American is one that is born to parents or at least one parent born in Africa that are now American citizens. Obama is an African American.

I am sure that there were many books written on slavery in America and I might not be as versed as you on the subject of slavery. My point was that it was distant history as it ended in 1865. I am 58 yrs old and I did not know anyone that was a slave or owned slaves that I am aware of. I am sure I probably did see some when I was very young but I would not have known what to think or say of them because of my youth.

Back to my question. Are you telling me that most Black Americans today do not resent White Americans because of slavery? I think you are wrong in this matter as it has not been long since we were hearing Al Sharpton and others wanting retribution for slavery. It is obviously something many Black Americans can not get past. My question was if it is found that Obama's mother's family owned slaves and Obama's father's family sold slaves to America would this cause negative feelings toward Obama by Black Americans?

Now to answer your question as to when has a white politican ever been told to abandon his church due to what his pastor has said. My answer is I do not know. I do not recall any politician of any race ever being told to abandon his church due to what his pastor said. I do not think it to be a black white thing. I call it a typical campaign occurence with the Clinton's.

Heretic · 03-24-2008, 07:40 AM

One last thing, I think BornWrong should've been aborted as being laced with too many mental defects to be born at all.

bornright · 03-24-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

One last thing, I think BornWrong should've been aborted as being laced with too many mental defects to be born at all.

I was hoping everyone would be a little more mature in the discussion.

Noob920 · 03-24-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bornright

I was hoping everyone would be a little more mature in the discussion.

Is there any evidence that Obama's mother's family once owned slaves? Personally, I don't think it matters.

Your question is an interesting one, although it wasn't worded carefully enough for these PC pussies.

Funny how you were attacked for what you considered a legitimate question.

lrrp · 03-24-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

One last thing, I think BornWrong should've been aborted as being laced with too many mental defects to be born at all.

I must disagree, even in America we need good examples of bad examples other than the White House.

He's been a marine, cop, & farmer, so slavery denialist seems a worthy addition to his pedigree. Weren't those klansmen "good christian men" who just so happened to stretch kid's necks with ropes and burn crosses in yards?

It's not just slavery, there has always been a much more subtle for of discrimination aimed at that particular race. Honestly, why do you think they perceived the need for affirmative action? My question in response would be how many black people you work with...or for? What is so wrong about having a level playing field? I'd like to see more in college myself, investing in the future.

BR has lied so much already that I wouldn't believe him even if he said Bush was a criminal. We see every day that there isn't any equal protection under the law if you are black, how many black ceo's do you know of? I don't think it's about slavery at all, it's about the quiet racism in board rooms, stock exchanges, and work force management everywhere.

The upshot of all of this to my mind, is that cracker here will soon be the dust that drill bits get sunk thru in the search for oil. Considering the amout of methane he stores, we should be well on our way to energy indepenance.

Heretic · 03-24-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lrrp

I must disagree, even in America we need good examples of bad examples other than the White House.

He's been a marine, cop, & farmer, so slavery denialist seems a worthy addition to his pedigree. Weren't those klansmen "good christian men" who just so happened to stretch kid's necks with ropes and burn crosses in yards?

It's not just slavery, there has always been a much more subtle for of discrimination aimed at that particular race. Honestly, why do you think they perceived the need for affirmative action? My question in response would be how many black people you work with...or for? What is so wrong about having a level playing field? I'd like to see more in college myself, investing in the future.

BR has lied so much already that I wouldn't believe him even if he said Bush was a criminal. We see every day that there isn't any equal protection under the law if you are black, how many black ceo's do you know of? I don't think it's about slavery at all, it's about the quiet racism in board rooms, stock exchanges, and work force management everywhere.

The upshot of all of this to my mind, is that cracker here will soon be the dust that drill bits get sunk thru in the search for oil. Considering the amout of methane he stores, we should be well on our way to energy indepenance.

If BornWrong served in the Marines then he's a disgrace to his branch and to the military overall. A REAL Marine puts first the rights of all his fellow Americans at the complete rejection of racism.

Noob920 · 03-24-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

If BornWrong served in the Marines then he's a disgrace to his branch and to the military overall. A REAL Marine puts first the rights of all his fellow Americans at the complete rejection of racism.

I don't see where this thread has anything to do with rights, or Bornright's defending those rights.

Sean · 03-24-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by al Asaad

Their ersatz "slavery" (indentured state) only qualifies as footnotes in comparison to the 243 years of brutality known as North American slavery.
Show me where any of the others were classified as "property"?
Show me where any of them could not simply walk away, them not being subjected to the Federal "Fugitve slave" Act?
Show me where an Irishman could not simply walk away and disappear into the civilian population?

"Footnotes?" All of the Native Americans fit that bill prior to this other you're obsessed with and the Natives continue to be persecuted, abused and thrown away like trash. Any Chinese or Irish slaves that were forcefully building the railroads would have been shot on the spot trying to "walk away." The attitude of dismissing the Native American torture, slavery and murdering is pathetic and a self-indulgent hypocrisy equalled only by the race card in your wallet. Spreading lies and raising children who are stupid and pissed off at the World for no reason other than an idiot adult programming them with crap "history" is one of the biggest problems in this Country. The anger of your writing is a nice indication of you fitting this bill to the "t."

cheapseats · 03-24-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RK77

I understand what you are trying to say---HOWEVER---you are doing the same thing that he is suggesting blacks should do-----overlook all past performance and treat him like a normal human being...

But you would have the People disregard Barack Obama's past performance, in the guise of a particularly close and influential relationship with a zealot, in light of what he says now?

You will perhaps respond, with triples and quadruples of punctuation remarks, that those condemnatory epithets constitute the past performance of Barack Obama's impassioned pastor, not of Barack Obama.

To which I will say this:

For a man who envisioned high political office for himself, particularly as a black man in a racist country, the willful association was imprudent.

For a man who envisioned high political office, particularly as a black man in a racist country, the association with Rezko was also imprudent.

Imprudence upon imprudence constitutes the possibility of dicey judgment.

NOT to say that Hillary Clinton is hitting the discretion is the better part of valor mark. The Clintons are reckless assholes as politicians and, as a woman, one-name-like-a-star-Hillary is beneath contempt.

NOR does the thought of John McCain's judgment make for a great night's rest.

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