bornright

Many blacks in this country have anger toward whites due to the fact that many of them had ancestors that were slave owners. It does not matter that nobody alive today has even a memory of a slave owner. It is also a known fact that most blacks were sold into slavery by people of Africa. Some were captured and sold by warring tribes. It is hard to imagine a hand full of slave traders could manhandle and control such a large number of people without help from Africans. I have asked what do black Americans think of these individuals that would sell their own people into slavery?

Obama is an African American who has no ancestors that were slaves yet in fact on his mother's side of the family they owned slaves. On his father's side it is very posible that they sold blacks into slavery. If this is true will it change how Black Americans feel about the African American Obama? This is a valid question and is not racist. I would like to hear from some of the Black Americans on an answer. Hopefully you will take the question as it is intended.

neptune

Are you really that obtuse? You haven't ever really thought much about what it means to be a minority in this country have you?

"Many blacks" are more angered by the systemic racism and subtle discrimination faced on a daily basis far more than by slavery.

Just a hunch...

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Kanadesaga

This is the most racist bullshit I have ever heard. You were wearing a sheet when you wrote this weren't you? Figures that the inbred redneck would be the only one to thank you. That's how I know this claptrap is racist from that alone. This is the same type of shit that people tried to used the bible to justify slavery. If you're going to try to use history at least it right, partial knowledge is just as dangerous as no knowledge at all.

And many slavers were fucking Arab. And when that didn't supply enough slaves for the trans-Atlantic trade, raiding parties became the norm.

And the type of slavery practiced on the west coast of Africa by African tribes was considerably different than that practiced in Virginia. Just as the slavery practiced by the Iroquois was considerbly different than that practiced in New York by white settlers prior to .

Jesus Christ a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Kanadesaga

I was going to get to that.

Kana

Straw man. To reduce the anger of the black community to being about slavery is false. Heard of segregation? Lynchings? The civil rights movement dragging this country kicking and screaming into accepting the legal equality of non-whites? If you think that the anger of African Americans is just about white people's slave-owning ancestors, then you are truly clueless.

Threads like this make me miss Carmenjonze. She'd direct you to a library.

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Kanadesaga

Amen.

She'd direct him somewhere.

DanS.

I know it is easy to get mad at BR...but...I believe an effort should be made to have the conversation in earnest...that if the responding posts are mostly insulting anybody would tend to ignore the larger message that is trying to be conveyed...so...if your goal is to get people like BR to see it your way...insulting is not the way to go...of course...if you want to brow beat him for the fun of it...go ahead too...but don't expect any results....

Speaking of people saying stuff like what BR is and getting pissed off...I had to do everything in my power to keep from going off on a student in class who said that you are better off today as a black man than a white man because of affirmative action....

serum114

Dude, you hate liberals because 40 years ago an old (what you consider) liberal women yelled at you. Come back when you get over that sweetheart.

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RK77

No---bornright---your reputation preceeds you and you don't get to put aside all your racist rants to get a pablum answer to your question!

It always amazes me how little all americans really know about slavery. Could it be that you have only attempted to learn enough to feed your racist beliefs?

Anyway....

Slavery as an institution was not as the same as it was in the united states. Many books have been written on the topic. You may want to check out Stanley Elkin's "Slavery". He does a great job of comparing slavery in different nations and even draws contrast the tragedy of slavery to the tragedies of the holocaust.

In short---Slavery in africa was not the brutal and murderous and perverse and hate driven institution that it was in the united states. Those who sold people into slavery had no concept of what the plight of those they assisted in capturing were going to suffer.


I don't know where you get mentally retarded ideas like no one alive ever knew anyone who was a slave or a slave owner. I am not that old and I certainly did meet both former slaves and slave owners when I was a small child but old enough to recall some of the stories they told. They were old then but not dead and they had not forgotten. All of them were my family and BOTH my parents are black! I have black and white ancestors who held slaves here in the USA. I am not by any means unique.

So the answer to your first question (and those implied but not asked) is NO. The african american community is NOT impressed by this tidbit that seems to intrique you. We have ALWAYS had mixed blooded members of our community--- and unlike the white community---we have found ways to deal with this without the denigration of other human beings. This is not to say that there are not issues of complexion and heritage in the black community just that it is not dealt with like you do.

It is your well known kkk mentality that somehow allows you to repeatedly pretend that the end to the brutal, murderous, sexually perverse, demonic behavior of your ancestors ended with slavery. How sick (and guilty) do you have to be to forget the years of Jim Crow?

Do you think there is an african american alive NOW who does not understand Driving While Black?
Do you think there is someone who does not understand the racism of the drug sentencing structure that Clinton fought to put in place? Or the dramatic changes that he and Hillary fought for in medicaid while the REAL heroine of the Children's Defense Fund fought them?

You are probably one of those pretending that you have never sat in church and applauded a racist fire and brimstone message from your pastor.

Just as you folks have your code words---so does the african american community. Obama got a much clearer and important message out to the african american community AND the historically aware white communities in his speech. Read the text with someone with an education and maybe you can pick up the references.

Now that I have explained that to you---you tell me this---what white politician has ever been told he should leave his church because the pastor made racist remarks? Seems like the same old Jelly Bean test to me!

Racial resentment will not end until generations after you guys stop with the racist bullshit!

RK77

I understand what you are trying to say---HOWEVER---you are doing the same thing that he is suggesting blacks should do-----overlook all past performance and treat him like a normal human being if you are up to it----but those of us who have dealt with his racist rants adnauseum should not be chastised for not giving him a get on of the toilet free card now.